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Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Mine! "Ortöj" coming!
"Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
"Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
Billy James Brightraven http://images.wikia.com/scandanaviaandtheworld/images/c/c4/Finland.png
"Sano sen mun kasvojani!"
Can anyone who actually speaks Finnish fix that sentence? It feels awfully wrong to have two objects after each other like that… but I couldn't find the equivalent of 'to' (only vaille which has 'temporal' meaning) as a preposition nor could I find if the allative case can be used like that.
Maybe vasten mun kasvojani? (against my face? lul)
"Sano sen mun kasvojani!"
Can anyone who actually speaks Finnish fix that sentence? It feels awfully wrong to have two objects after each other like that… but I couldn't find the equivalent of 'to' (only vaille which has 'temporal' meaning) as a preposition nor could I find if the allative case can be used like that.
Maybe vasten mun kasvojani? (against my face? lul)
Christian James Meredith Some guesses:
å = normal Swedish "att"
i morron = tomorrow, or in the morning, depending on context.
fårr = get?
kommer = come (*not* an infinitive)
So:
[Ed] to take? [bug] gets tomorrow comes the [racker] to (take?) [skinged]. Meh.
å = normal Swedish "att"
i morron = tomorrow, or in the morning, depending on context.
fårr = get?
kommer = come (*not* an infinitive)
So:
[Ed] to take? [bug] gets tomorrow comes the [racker] to (take?) [skinged]. Meh.
Billy James Brightraven That IS a tricky sentence. Ouch.
Relevant: http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/148/battle-pigeon-1148.jpg
Relevant: http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/148/battle-pigeon-1148.jpg
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Swedish isn't just syntactically hellish, it is dialectally diverse as well!
Well, granted that Billy gets Scanian well enough, I'm gonna leave and trust him to manage you all!
No googling! ^^
Well, granted that Billy gets Scanian well enough, I'm gonna leave and trust him to manage you all!
No googling! ^^
Billy James Brightraven Actually, I'm off for the day (might see some on the phone), so I'm summoning the third master of the twisted Swedish tongues: Malin, I subdelegate the task to you 
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Even though Victor said no Googling, I am being naughty and did so
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian_dialects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian_dialects
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter and I found a very important piece of information
Ex. where Scanian uses "E" Swedish uses "Ä" instead
E --> Ä
Ex. where Scanian uses "E" Swedish uses "Ä" instead
E --> Ä
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged
could be :
Äd å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skingÄd
could be :
Äd å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skingÄd
Christian James Meredith Ah'w gi ye mah sdjeschin on who ah think the meann' is, bah only f'ye can un'stan mah dahlettal dversty too.
Christian James Meredith Ate to take stomach (?) (in the morning/tomorrow) something-rather that takes [skinged].
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter LOL Christian, you read my minds!
I suddenly remember the premiere post from Malin:
Du ar vad du ater...
I suddenly remember the premiere post from Malin:
Du ar vad du ater...
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter maybe it's something like:
Eat until you full, because tomorrow the food will be taken away
Eat until you full, because tomorrow the food will be taken away
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hmm, you somehow managed to get the intended meaning of the saying, without actually translating it...
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, the other meaning isn't completely correct either, but it's rather close!^^
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow your stomach will be taken away
how about that?
how about that?
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter could skinged be skin?
Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow will come to take your skin?
Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow will come to take your skin?
Christian James Meredith But yeah, I noticed that, but given that Danish and Norwegian also have kk, I gave up trying to narrow it down
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, "rackar" isn't a word proper, it's a bound form of "rackare".
And not quite; on the two latest pieces of progress.
And not quite; on the two latest pieces of progress.
Christian James Meredith "Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
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Eat so your stomach's full because tomorrow the rascals are taking the ham?
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Eat so your stomach's full because tomorrow the rascals are taking the ham?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, not really, there is one word and one phrase that you're struggling with!
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, but this is Scanian Swedish, the southern-most form! And quite radical Scanian at that! ^^
Christian James Meredith ^ See this fella Chrisso 'bove ya mate, not even his sheila can be buggered with it! Crikey Vick, you'd drive a digger blue! Strewth!
BUT SRSLY GUISE, could you point us in any sort of direction? Like, what sort of thing do we keep getting wrong with what word?
BUT SRSLY GUISE, could you point us in any sort of direction? Like, what sort of thing do we keep getting wrong with what word?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström That's the best you've got? ^^ Well, Vincensiu's translation of "å ta bug" was better, and he got closer with "skinged". 
Christian James Meredith ENTERING ANALYTICS MODE v2.0b
"Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
"Eat so your stomach's full because tomorrow the rascals are taking the ham?"
"Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow will come to take your skin?"
PROCESSING... PROCESSING...
WARNING, 5 ERRORS DETECTED
>ignore
IGNORED.
Eat until your stomach goes tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
"Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
"Eat so your stomach's full because tomorrow the rascals are taking the ham?"
"Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow will come to take your skin?"
PROCESSING... PROCESSING...
WARNING, 5 ERRORS DETECTED
>ignore
IGNORED.
Eat until your stomach goes tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström INPUT:
Eat until your stomach goes tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
PROCESSING... PROCESSING...
WARNING, SHITLOAD OF ERRORS DETECTED
>decline
REQUEST DECLINED
Eat until your stomach goes tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
PROCESSING... PROCESSING...
WARNING, SHITLOAD OF ERRORS DETECTED
>decline
REQUEST DECLINED
Christian James Meredith (Alternatively:
Eat and take [your] stomach (=Eat and fill your stomach?) because tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
Eat and take [your] stomach (=Eat and fill your stomach?) because tomorrow the rascals come and take the meat?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Okay, you know what, unless you find what's wrong with Vincensiu's translation (it's two words), I'm gonna give him the win!
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström "Skinged" and one word that's not even in the translation, but it's in yours.
Christian James Meredith I am literally on the edge of my seat, but that's not because of the game, that's because my bum's actually sore (aside from the figurative sense of me not having victation).
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström But it is rascals! -_- Consider, what species is "skinged". With species, I mean grammatically.
Christian James Meredith Otherwise, past participle, but then I find it hard to reconcile it with "tar".
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's practically Danish! I'm surprised it doesn't half-voice everything!
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow the rascal will come and skin you?
skin as in skinning animal
skin as in skinning animal
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter the last time I said:
Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow your stomach will be taken away
you told me that it's nearly correct, then this "rascal" thing came up, and I gotta slip him somewhere :p
Eat and fill your stomach because tomorrow your stomach will be taken away
you told me that it's nearly correct, then this "rascal" thing came up, and I gotta slip him somewhere :p
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Okay, in a previous translation, that included skin and rascal, only one word was wrong. The word was "your".
Arief Wibowo I wonder what does "å ta(r)" mean in this sentence. It appears twice in original sentence, yet no translated word repeated twice.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter According to CJM : To take.
But since to take stomach sounds strange I modified that into to fill stomach
But since to take stomach sounds strange I modified that into to fill stomach
Billy James Brightraven General tip: When translating idioms, focusing on parts not making literal sense in English isn't very useful 
Relevant: å is a spoken variant of several words in Swedish including but not limited to “å, och, att”
Relevant: å is a spoken variant of several words in Swedish including but not limited to “å, och, att”
Christian James Meredith @ Billy, well, obviously, but have you ever tried guessing idiomatic meanings before? For all we know it could mean "Eat your bananas before the monkeys fling their shite at you"
Christian James Meredith I of course refer to the Scandinavian Baboon, misunderstood ad goblins and dwarves in Norse times.
Christian James Meredith "Eat and stomach it, because tomorrow the rascals eat the skin"
(Another day has come, and another idea: I'm starting to get this whole "don't waste your food and appreciate it, kids in africa only get 1 bowel of rice a day!" sentiment)
(Another day has come, and another idea: I'm starting to get this whole "don't waste your food and appreciate it, kids in africa only get 1 bowel of rice a day!" sentiment)
Christian James Meredith *bowl, whoops. Bowel is more like part of your digestive system. I blame autocorrect.
Christian James Meredith My galaxy's a good phone! It just thinks bowls are part of the digestive system... Which they are in a weird way...
Arief Wibowo Still a good quote though:
"Hey, eat and stomach that! Kids in Africa only get a stomach of rice a day"
And we just need to invent the measurement that 1 stomach equals about 5000 grains
"Hey, eat and stomach that! Kids in Africa only get a stomach of rice a day"
And we just need to invent the measurement that 1 stomach equals about 5000 grains
Billy James Brightraven About as long since you did Kevin But, I think she was here like … ten rounds or so ago?
But, I think she was here like … ten rounds or so ago?Billy James Brightraven "Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."
by Victor about a day ago.
by Victor about a day ago.
Arief Wibowo No idea too, dictionary searches yield no result for "skinged", which is roughly the last word to dechiper
Kevin Long Well I think it's safe to say 'kommer' is 'come' given the target's obvious relation to swedish
Arief Wibowo Whoa hold it, skingra means scatter
http://folkets-lexikon.csc.kth.se/folkets/folkets.en.html#lookup&skingra&1&nocorr
http://folkets-lexikon.csc.kth.se/folkets/folkets.en.html#lookup&skingra&1&nocorr
Arief Wibowo Merged into Vincensiu Denis' last sentence:
Eat and fill stomach bcoz tmrw rascal will come and scatter?
Eat and fill stomach bcoz tmrw rascal will come and scatter?
Arief Wibowo I wonder if morron means anything other than morning. When I tried to look that up in Wiktionary, it redirects to god morgon (good morning). No yield in folkets-lexikon.
Kevin Long Okay, well the previous posts suggest that it's something like:
"Eat and fill your stomach, for _____ will come in the morning"
"Eat and fill your stomach, for _____ will come in the morning"
Kevin Long "Eat and fill your stomach, for _____ will come in the morning for-some-inexplicable-reason-that-will-probably-be-relatively-obsecure-gaaaaaaaah"
Arief Wibowo http://skanskaakademien.se/ ← they were/are supposed to compile a Scanian-Swedish-Danish dictionary, since 1983, but I can't find the dictionary
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Kevin: I am still here I am following the evolution of this thread and game. It is fascinating to read! It´s just that I have so much to do and so little time to do it. Therefore (därför in swedish, haha) I am facebook-fasting. I only check facebook and e-mails twice a day and only for half an hour each time. It would not be a good thing engage too much in this game and its discussions since the result would be me getting stuck! Haha!
I am following the evolution of this thread and game. It is fascinating to read! It´s just that I have so much to do and so little time to do it. Therefore (därför in swedish, haha) I am facebook-fasting. I only check facebook and e-mails twice a day and only for half an hour each time. It would not be a good thing engage too much in this game and its discussions since the result would be me getting stuck! Haha! Arief Wibowo Malin Elisabeth Nilsson, hang on, around the arrival of 5th thread, you will be able to follow the game round by round in my site...
By any chance you know what's "Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."?
By any chance you know what's "Ed å ta bug fårr i morron kommer rakkaren å tar skinged."?
Arief Wibowo Malin Elisabeth Nilsson, we (think that we have) solved rackaren part, what about "skinged"?
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Im a little ashamed... Most of my ancestors before the 1600-hundreds would have been speaking eastern danish, since they lived in Blekinge and Skåne that then belonged to Denmark. I have grown up hearing skånska (scanian, I guess) around me. So I should understand it! But i dont...
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Perhaps: " Eat and fill your stomach for in the morning the the rascal will come and take your shit away"
Christian James Meredith Well, they can take my shit away if they want, just don't use it as manure coz that's gross :-/
Christian James Meredith And I'll jump on the "ICH KANN DIE DEUTSCH UND RUSSISCH NICHT GUT SPRECHEN" bandwagon.
Kevin Long Bandwagon:
1. A wagon used for carrying a band in a parade or procession.
2. A particular activity or cause that has suddenly become fashionable or popular.
1. A wagon used for carrying a band in a parade or procession.
2. A particular activity or cause that has suddenly become fashionable or popular.
Christian James Meredith Malin, we say in English that someone jumps on a bandwagon if they're joining a growing group of people with similar thoughts or opinions. As in the above picture, although really it's from the sense of joining a circus or something silly like that.
It's used with a degree of non-seriousness. E.g. "he's joining the fitness bandwagon" could be critical, or inviting.
Vincensiu Denis guessed it, so I'm joining the same bandwagon as you, but I just obfuscated it
(I'm like... a bit Scottish, and a bit English, and a smaller bit German, and then a very small amount Irish/Belorussian but I only speak English due to the circumstances of migration to Australia)
It's used with a degree of non-seriousness. E.g. "he's joining the fitness bandwagon" could be critical, or inviting.
Vincensiu Denis guessed it, so I'm joining the same bandwagon as you, but I just obfuscated it
(I'm like... a bit Scottish, and a bit English, and a smaller bit German, and then a very small amount Irish/Belorussian
but I only speak English due to the circumstances of migration to Australia)Arief Wibowo I am pure blood Han/Chinese, but unfortunately language doesn't get transmitted thru blood... Would be awesome though, Blood Bank can be renamed to Language Bank
Arief Wibowo Okay, my 11:00 UTC curfew is just around the corner. It's good to see Språkspelet Progenitor and veteran back here.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Btw do u happen to speak Hokkien Arief Wibowo??
I guess by now you do lol. Even Cantonese
I guess by now you do lol. Even Cantonese
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Curfew: law that prohibit ppl to go out (or doing activity) past certain time. It is UTC 11:00 now... or GMT 11:00
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Perhaps its not "your skin" but the skin of that what is suposed to be eaten?
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson For example, word by word: Eat and take abdomen for tomorrow comes rakkaren (the rascal) and takes skinged (the skin)
Christian James Meredith Ah.. but IIRC, Danish has weird definite plurals, so maybe it is still plural rascals.. IDK I give up
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson I think " Eat now and build your abdomen because tomorrow rakkaren ( the helper of the executioner as decribed in this article: http://spraktidningen.se/artiklar/2008/08/rackare. Not in the meaning of a joker but someone whos job is to take away other peoples dirt or waste) will come and take the rest ( the skin of the eaten animal)"
I think you've got it Malin
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Well lets wait and se what Victor or Billy thinks :). I really need to log out and start preparing myself for my first uni german lesson! Christian : I am pretty sure that rakkaren is in "bestämd form". I dont know how to say it in english... Definite article perhaps? What I mean is that you could say "den rackaren" where "den" mean "that". If it would have been in plural it would have been "rackarna" or "rakkarna" instead
Malin Elisabeth Nilsson Anyway. If I managed to decode the phrase I still don't think its my turn. You where all very close!
Christian James Meredith Good luck with your uni german lesson, I'm studying for a uni japanese test!
Billy James Brightraven Victor,ni esr ilon solve-lostan? Är och ta buk för imorgon kommer rackaren och tar skinnet, ni esr? Pra 'ät medan det finns mat, ni esr?
Qwi esr harja-victator?
Qwi esr harja-victator?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Simhajja, vredadmente lo solve-lost-ilons if-si lo skriftran. Qwo lo solve-losta-lo Billy?
Billy James Brightraven Ilon Vincensiu havr-i pisat-skrivta "eat and fill stomach bcoz tomrw rascal will come and take the skin" ba nem esr full-completamente correctos, ba aukaj venerabla Malin, havr-i kontribut-zuforta kom translatio-perevod literals... hmm, if-si au acceptr-au 'fill' pra 'taga' victator gaan esr ilon V ba if-si nem, forse Malin? Ilon esr hyperskånska kielikreol et verstanden-razumij-intelligibilitas lowbasso pra ilon havr stata.
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström "Fill" esr solutio-losnungo acceptabilita, et evenom [palabro-mot ab Sveds et Englesk] Malin kontribut-zuforta benementissime ni sape-veta-ai if-si aresi-gustar-i continuiru. Mayhapmente Vincensiu deva vic-winr?
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Wow. Kwa limba est dat?
Jag jamais vedo schreißt como ça. Ist nuveaou taal??
Jag jamais vedo schreißt como ça. Ist nuveaou taal??
Billy James Brightraven Daan gaan ilon Vincensiu harja-victator esr, ni esr? Kred-ai qwesto plusmahiscorrecto esr.
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Agapo-ama-ai tes cleftango! Sim, ai tan-bene.
Congrats Vincensiu! you won!
Congrats Vincensiu! you won!
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Oh wow thanks...
(Turning my face around)*
YAAAAAY!!!!!!
Im not expecting that actually so Havent prepared... and since Im at work till 22:00 GMT, the next phrase have to b delayed then
:$
Let me think for something ultra difficult as a revenge! Ha ha ha ha (evil laugh)
(Turning my face around)*
YAAAAAY!!!!!!
Im not expecting that actually so Havent prepared... and since Im at work till 22:00 GMT, the next phrase have to b delayed then
:$
Let me think for something ultra difficult as a revenge! Ha ha ha ha (evil laugh)
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter See if I can manage to find a good sentence by only relying on my galaxy. No public internet access at work :'(
Otherwise we gotta wait until the sun rises here. Sorry guys
Otherwise we gotta wait until the sun rises here. Sorry guys
Alfia Wallace If someone would tag me when the new round begins, I would greatly appreciate it. Merci!
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I finally arrived at home, and the next round will be the most difficult language in the world, and because it was so difficult, I will allow google translate this round
as a revenge from previous riddle hahaha
as a revenge from previous riddle hahaha
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