Round 275

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Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Well I forgot that I won for four days. I'd do a Bangla round, but I feel like Christian, Billy, or Andy would demolish it in, like, twenty minutes. So here you go, from what happens to be my favorite language family on Earth:

Философияда авайди тек са проблем я, амани жува-жув кьин я.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Tagging Jake, Andy, Arief, Sarah, Helene, Zev (because screw you), Ed, Maria, Ava, Nicolás, Edmund, Brad, Thatcher, Justyna, Bérnard, and lots of other people.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee And John because you should play this game
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent Did I miss a few rounds? I heven't been able to find it for a while :(
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter The Cyrillic script above is the new round.
Adrian, do u know what's happenning in Melb between 17-19 Oct? All the hotels are fully booked. MelCup is not until Nov, isn't it?
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent Философияда авайди тек са (problem??) я, амани жува-жув кьин я.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee So you did get one word.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Good work!
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Philosophy авайди тек са (problem??) I, амани жува-жув кьин я.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Well that one's fairly transparent, but you also need to pay attention to the word's ending
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent Sally: I found this...

International Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses: Friday 17 October to Sunday 19 October 2014
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent тек wouldn't be tech, as in technology would it? (Going for the easy stuff here...)
Jake Kissinger
Jake Kissinger I reminded Wrik, and then he said "I was going to post my *insert language family here* one--oh, $#!+, I just told you!" so I'll stay out of it until someone guesses the language family, though it should be pretty obvious. ;-)
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent Wrik Chatterjee, it isn't Russian is it? I am not all that familiar (i.e., I have no idea) bout other Cyrilic scripted languages. :(
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Nah, not as far as I know. It would really help to identify the language. I think I gave you a hint in that this language is a member of my absolute favorite language family on Earth. And no, it isn't Russian.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Hmm ic...
But still, not an enormous event. All the hotels including the expensive ones are fully booked. From ibis budget to hyatt. Even in Dandenong!! Very unusual.
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent No, Dandenong is a thriving tourist hot spot. (please note, I am being silly. No offense to Dandenongians.)
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Is it Iranian family?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Nah, but it does have Iranian loanwords.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Turkic? But that seems unlikely since the length of the words is not so long.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee This isn't Turkic, but it has also been influenced by Turkic.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee And neither of those are bad guesses btw.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin So something in that area. Hm.... northeast caucasian?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Bam, you got it. Now you have a one-in-32 chance of getting this language on the first try.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin ..... Avar?
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Chechen?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee No and no.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Abxaz?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Abkhaz is NorthWEST Caucasian
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin oh... sorry, I am not familiar with this group.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee No problem man ;)
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent It... it... it isn't Atlantean is it?
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Dargin?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes, it is Atlantean :v
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee No, not Dargin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Udi?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee No, but you're in the right branch of NEC, if that helps.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin :D yay
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Budux?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Also good for you for knowing Udi exists.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Nope
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin xD just going through a list of northeast caucasian languages. I know of some of them, but I never paid much attention to the group
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Tabasaran?
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent So... new type, east Samur group?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Well just keep guessing names and you'll get it eventually
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Not Tabasaran, but it is Eastern Samur.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Lezgian?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee *rings bell* You got it!
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin ... this is going to be hard. I've never even HEARD of this language...
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Well you have now.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Here yothers: http://www.peterlin.pl/lezgi/chal.html This could be of great help.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin AH "ja" is "is"
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Good!
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee This dictionary isn't bad once you familiarize yourself with Lezgi Latin.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee http://www.freelang.net/online/lezgi.php
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin is "philosophy" in the inessive case?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee I think it is!
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin :D
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Here's a descriptive treatment for the language; granted, you can probably access only part of it here, but it might help you: http://books.google.com/books?id=jBC6fSMh6wYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+grammar+of+lezgian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=F8EwVN6DFoO2yATP8YHoBQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=a%20grammar%20of%20lezgian&f=false
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee And I *think* you might just be able to figure out the sentence's first half from context alone; if not, you really only need one word.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin So according to wikipedia, inessive is "at", "in", "during". So "In philosophy (avajdi) lonely (sa) problem is, (amani žuva-žuv k'in) is"
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong tek means "lonely" according to the dictionary

"the sole problem..."?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee You got it, more-or-less ;)
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee "Lonely" isn't too far off!
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Ah! "The sole problem in philosophy is "(avajdi)
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes!
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Well, close enough
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong btw "sa" means "one"
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes it does
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong the only (one) problem in philosophy is (the accursed "avajdi)
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee You're getting there
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin "avaj" -- there was, according to lesson two from that site I posted
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Erm, no. Really the last word is the most important, but it's also sorta tricky. Maybe it'll help you to know that this is a line from one of my favorite writers a Lezgi-speaking friend I made over the Internet translated.
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong the only problem in philosophy is the melody?
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Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Nope
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee For the first part of the sentence, "there was" is acceptable, though
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee So to summarize the first part, "There (was) one sole problem in philosophy,..."
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin AH okay.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin So on to the second part!
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes!
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee And remember that you already have at least one word from this
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin ama -- to be still, to stay? maybe?
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin žuv -- yourself?
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin q'in -- to vow, to die?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes to the latter. Kinda sorta for the former.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee The form you got for q'in isn't too far off
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Now think about the context
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee And remember that Lezgi is ergative-what else could q'in mean?
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin There is one problem in philosophy, to stay yourself is to die?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee No...
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong zuw (v) = oneself?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee It's "yourself" in this context
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Really the important parts here to point out are the "yourself," "die," and the ergativity, and also what you had from the first half.
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong there's on problem in philosophy that is to kill yourself?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yes!
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong really?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yup!
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee You could word-craft it into better English, I guess, but you got the intent.
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Congratulations Edmund! Čestitam!
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong The only problem in philosophy is suicide?
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Yup
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong now, do I find a passage of an obsolete language or what? this is my first
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin
Thatcher Ó Donnabháin Yeah, do a passage that you can explain okay in another language than english. Doesn't have to be obscure, but something that you could explain and understand how it works enough to do this.
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Congrats on your first win, Edmund!
Adrian Baxt-Dent
Adrian Baxt-Dent Congratulations Edmund Yong. I got distracted, or I am sure I would have stalcjuried (yeah...however it is spelled) (Actually, I had no idea...)
Wrik Chatterjee
Wrik Chatterjee Also an honorable mention should go to Thatcher.
Edmund Yong
Edmund Yong I'll put one up later today. I'm going for lunch
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