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Marius Vincenzii Dennischter haha my knowledge in languages is sooo simple, so what I can do is just to relate everything to what I know. lol
Hesham Swehli the script is ancient indeed, although in the earlier version the vowels weren't written (like semitic). nb the vowels r the small "o"s
Christian James Meredith Palm leaves then? (I'm the same as Vincensiu Denis here, only I know less... 
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But anyway, "tamurtiw" looks like a verb phrase, as does afelli.
).But anyway, "tamurtiw" looks like a verb phrase, as does afelli.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter hmmm... suddenly I'm craving for dates... :S
I didn't had enough when I was in Middle East earlier this year...
well I gtg anyway, good luck guys, brb
I didn't had enough when I was in Middle East earlier this year...
well I gtg anyway, good luck guys, brb
Arief Wibowo The thing that scares me is exactly that -- Berber is a separate family from Semitic... Anyway, it's my time to bid farewell to you guys and to this thread -- dinner + bed time.
I suggest the winner of this round to get the honor to start the new thread.
I suggest the winner of this round to get the honor to start the new thread.
Arief Wibowo I would love to try more, but 11:00 UTC is my new time to get dinner and stop touching computers
Hesham Swehli no, again it's tamazight not arabic, w- is actually a grammatical marker for the noun "3ziz"
Arief Wibowo I am soooo sorry, I must refrain from continuing now. Språkspelet is too addictive for me 
Hesham Swehli since it's an unfamiliar language, ill provide more clues:
tamurt = noun
ul = noun
af = preposition
uciɣ = verb
tamurt = noun
ul = noun
af = preposition
uciɣ = verb
Maleen Schlüter Tamurt n Iqbayliyen is Kabylie, right? I am not sure whether the Arabic name is a literal translation of that, but if so, it must mean region or area.
Hesham Swehli pretty close, tamurt means country, land. the "mur" part used to mean "land" in the past and the name of Morocco (the country) was originally "mur n akush" = the land of god
Billy James Brightraven tamurtiw, uciɣam uliw d waɛziz afelli
Looking at Tamazight grammar at a glance…
So, according to what I can tell, initial a > {u, w, wa} for the construct state of masculine nouns. This happens either as part of a possessive-possessor construction or if the DO of the verb follows the verb (in SVO word order).
d is with from what I can tell either "with, and" or a proximate affix used with verbs. Some prepositions require the noun to be in the construct state and seeing how d is followed by what looks to be a noun in the construct state, I am guessing it's the preposition "with, and" that requires construct state.
Thus
tamurtiw, V noun with dear one PREP.
I'm guessing tamurt is a feminine noun (t…t circumfix for feminine nouns points to it)
This youtube video tells me ucigam = I gave (?)you (?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwIs1I8tf2U
tamurtiw, uciɣam uliw d waɛziz afelli
My country, I gave you my flock and my beloved †afelli†
(I'm just guessing /iw/ is a reduced form of the /inw/ 1SG possessive suffix)
Ah, but wikipedia suggests ul is heart (I had been looking at an old scanned 'Tamazight basic course' of the Ait Mgild dialect)
And I realised, wæziz does not have a possessive suffix I recognise.
so… I revise again
My country, I gave you my heart with/and †dear person afellii†
Aha! Af is "on" and gets attached to the noun!
My country, I gave you my heart and dear person on-elli
where elli must be in an 'annexed state' (I guess construct, again?)
Anyone know what elli is?
Looking at Tamazight grammar at a glance…
So, according to what I can tell, initial a > {u, w, wa} for the construct state of masculine nouns. This happens either as part of a possessive-possessor construction or if the DO of the verb follows the verb (in SVO word order).
d is with from what I can tell either "with, and" or a proximate affix used with verbs. Some prepositions require the noun to be in the construct state and seeing how d is followed by what looks to be a noun in the construct state, I am guessing it's the preposition "with, and" that requires construct state.
Thus
tamurtiw, V noun with dear one PREP.
I'm guessing tamurt is a feminine noun (t…t circumfix for feminine nouns points to it)
This youtube video tells me ucigam = I gave (?)you (?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwIs1I8tf2U
tamurtiw, uciɣam uliw d waɛziz afelli
My country, I gave you my flock and my beloved †afelli†
(I'm just guessing /iw/ is a reduced form of the /inw/ 1SG possessive suffix)
Ah, but wikipedia suggests ul is heart (I had been looking at an old scanned 'Tamazight basic course' of the Ait Mgild dialect)
And I realised, wæziz does not have a possessive suffix I recognise.
so… I revise again
My country, I gave you my heart with/and †dear person afellii†
Aha! Af is "on" and gets attached to the noun!
My country, I gave you my heart and dear person on-elli
where elli must be in an 'annexed state' (I guess construct, again?)
Anyone know what elli is?
Hesham Swehli the variant/dialect is "twillult" which is spoken in zwara, libya.
ur right, in most "dialects" it would be -inu but in twillult the "n" was dropped and instead u have -iw (same with all other possessive suffixes: ins => is, inek => ik)
ur right, in most "dialects" it would be -inu but in twillult the "n" was dropped and instead u have -iw (same with all other possessive suffixes: ins => is, inek => ik)
Hesham Swehli afelli => "on me"
3ziz afelli = what is dear "to" me (lit: dear on me)
"my country i gave u my heart and (all) that is dear to me"
3ziz afelli = what is dear "to" me (lit: dear on me)
"my country i gave u my heart and (all) that is dear to me"
Дайте Нефть Из Баку I missed a couple of posts, didn't I? What was the meaning of the Mandaic phrase?
Arief Wibowo Дайте Нефть Из Баку, uhiia zakin lkulhun 'ubadia means "and life is victorious over all works"
Arief Wibowo Billy James Brightraven, yes, it's also your turn to start a new post/thread as well, since we've hit the imaginary 1000 comments limit.
Oh yes, please include http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/ in that post. I plan to do data mining on our threads to show history, statistics, etc in that site.
Oh yes, please include http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/ in that post. I plan to do data mining on our threads to show history, statistics, etc in that site.
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