Round 188 | Språkspelet

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Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No texts this time!

http://vocaroo.com/i/s02mSzxy1i4P

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter tag boot help:
Zeke Edmund

Dago Lesmes Suagua Okay. It's definitely Scandinavian! I hear 'sverige' and 'språk'

Edmund Yong sounds Tonal.

Nicolás Straccia Norwegian?

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson 99% sure it's Swedish

Nicolás Straccia It has some tongue twister patterns, but I can't be sure ^^

Maria Weidner It sounds beautiful! But it reminds me somehow of "ställa"..so many repetitions... :/

Sarah Karoline I shall have to be quiet as I understand a large amount of it

[For the first time ever I cannot take part in Victor's round.. shock/horror and

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Maria Weidner I understood one word: language

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson I understood one word: "Sverige"

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It is indeed Swedish, it is me speaking a very proper idiolect.

Nicolás Straccia I think I'm thinking of Norwegian because yesterday I watched Trolljägeren againg ^^

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström My dialect is Western Swedish, so I understand if people get Norwegian "vibes".

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson I don't understand any of it now, but once we get a transcription, I'll probably get it quite quickly

Dago Lesmes Suagua I understand something at the end like this...

"Sverige inte er sverige och te språk for skongen er gongen. Lycka till!"

Bear in mind I do not speak Swedish, so I'm just basing myself on my instinct.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, there's a "Sverige" in there, and "och" and "språk".

Dago Lesmes Suagua And the Lycka till in the end, I'm sure it's Lycka till!!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It is Lycka till! :O

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson Is "Lycka til" at all related to "tilykke"?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Det er meget relateret til "tilykke". ^^

Dago Lesmes Suagua Okay...I hear...

"anden från anden från" [0.06 - 0.08]
"i rum" [0.17]
"hör" [0.28]
"är bäst" [0.33]
"Sverige inte är Sverige och de språk .... gången" [0.43 - 0.46]
"Lycka till!" [0.49]

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Sarah are you sure you understand most of it?
It's Victor's round anyway

I heard:
Thank you for your nominate quick, Ok man here.....

Birgit Willigar Yes, i also recognized it as swedish.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Dago:
1. Yup.
2. Consider [rum], where [ ] means that you will have to check the pronunciation.
3. Nope. Consider [bäst]. A lot.
4. The second Sverige, inte, och, and språk are correct.
5. Yup.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Sarah, you have my authorisation to help out a bit! A bit, that is.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Is the first two words:
Tänk nu?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Indeed!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I think Andy and Christian could be of value around here!

Adrian Baxt-Dent Tänk nu ... is that "Thank you"???

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Haha, if it were...! Nope, sorry! ^^

Adrian Baxt-Dent Tank nu for your nominen??

Dago Lesmes Suagua Okay, so what I have is... {What's between brackets is how -I- would write what I'm hearing, but it's definitely not proper Swedish, what's outside the brackets is what I think is correct}

Tänk nu, på [jeg naminenn skjuyls] på [naminenn], och [e ma skjuyljer] anden från anden från [andann]. [Lyyttet skjuyljer passer] från [passer; o andra kyatter. Normannen jer to vrum u rom san vrummer i roum.] Min norm [es prysdte prysdte, u jouden judhe jüden juht neer e jupsson]. Träna, träna, [und den är hör sjenöhjussa. Sleckten sleckten] är [best, männer ehtter ähtter vare. En pajass hör sabpat sabpat, den pajass oh tomtenn o tomtenn. Sveriger] inte [er] Sverige och [deras] språk [vorskongen er] gången. Lycka till!

I'm starting to see a pattern of words and expressions that tell me that the message actually says something related to the game. Like "remember this things... do this, do that, hear well, etc. The rule is that you must... Train, train and then.... Swedes .... Sweden and their language..... times. Good luck!"

I hope you like my fake Swedish orthography, I find it kind of nice, hahahaha.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I think it is
Tänk nu på jeg nominen (skjuist).....

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Adrian
Tänk = think/ remember (imperative)
nu = now
på = in/at

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The beginning is indeed a reminder for you guys...! You are making some progress, the start is:

"Tänk nu på..."

Дайте Нефть Из Баку You're feeling well, Victor? I didn't expect something so... merciful from you.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Did I mention Swedish is tonal?

Adrian Baxt-Dent Tank nu for den nominen huis phenomenon okie ma huilie anden från anden från anden. leet der tweilie pasher vom pasher huan rackjette. Normanniniere to(h) room or rum som reumer e rum. Van norman spaceda brijeste ov vuiden jude judern, juikt nire e jusum. Traene traerne ( ) run tanne huir.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Yeah David, I was expecting some sacred language spoken by ancient tribe from Inca empire or a tribal language spoken by 2,000 people deep in African jungle

Adrian Baxt-Dent That is my wild guess as to the "sounds", up to about half way. My ears are straining.....

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Either that or Swedish.

I think the difficulty of this round remains hidden.

Adrian Baxt-Dent How many tones?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Pitch accent.

Dago Lesmes Suagua Hidden? I think I already saw it :p

Adrian Baxt-Dent Dammit... four years studying linguistics, you might think I would know what a "pitch accent" is. All I can think of is teh way people speak on a cricket pitch????

Andy Ayres Glad you think so, Victor :). I have to get marking my students' essays out of the way - meant to do it yesterday, but was kept in hospital for too long - but then I'll give it a stab. It took me just over twelve hours to get a dozen words yesterday because of my quite considerable deafness, but I look forward to seeing what I can do

Adrian Baxt-Dent I just wikipedia-ed it: that sounds like EASY tonal, compared to something like Chinese.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström True.

Adrian Baxt-Dent does this mean that the bit I have transcribed above as "vuiden jude judern" is intentionally three similar SOUNDING words, differentiated by their toes?

Дайте Нефть Из Баку "Tänk nu på (jeg?) namnen skjuyl på namnen och kemasjuylier anden från anden från andar lite tuijel parser från parser och andra kyatter. Normannen gör to vrom och rom (Rom?) san vrummer i Rom.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yes. Their toes.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Дайте, as I amn't entirely clear on how proficient you are in Swedish...! How far have come in your studies?

Дайте Нефть Из Баку Jag är... student - och jag... snälla - mat, snälla - jag från Italija...

Дайте Нефть Из Баку That basically sums up my oral proficiency.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It sounds like someone is keeping you in their cellar somewhere! :S

Manoj Kumar Namaste,
If anybody wants to practice English or hindi or spanish , then here is the link. Please see and like this page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/hindi-lesson-for-foreigners-in-delhi/131821350183889?fref=ts
Thank you.

Дайте Нефть Из Баку Ut med dig, Manoj!

Sarah Karoline .... och tryck på "inte tillämplig!"

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Sarah Can you recommend any good Swedish dictionary
old style one with alphabetical order preferred.
I need some help in identifying the sje-sounds
I still can't find the proper way to transcript the "skjulier" sounds

Дайте Нефть Из Баку That was me trying to order some food during my first day in Stockholm, by the way.

Anna Robbins I'll join in now, too

I just finished listening to the audio, and I think I know the trick Victor is talking about.

Vincensiu, the "sj" words at the beginning I think are "skis" and "skiljer".

Sarah Karoline Några ordböcker ~ Some dictionaries:
http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/saob/
http://tyda.se/

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Welcome back & Thank you Anna.
Back to civilisation with internet access now? :p

Anna Robbins I've been back for a while, but swamped with work, so I'm going to attempt multitasking

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not "skis", unfortunately!

Anna Robbins I've still been trying to work on that. Closest I've actually gotten is "skiss", but I'm not sure that makes sense in the context of the sentence D:

Dago Lesmes Suagua Sorry guys! I left for some time because I had to make lunch!... Any progress so far?

Has anyone identified proper Swedish from my poor attempt at writing it?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I'll give you that word; it's "skiljs".

Anna Robbins "tänk nu på den namnen skiljs på namnen" ? "Think now of the name chosen by the name"?

Dago Lesmes Suagua I would say it goes... "Remember this, that the names are separated by the names"

Anna Robbins But "remember this" is "minns det".

Dago Lesmes Suagua Vincensiu said it could work as 'remember this', like a suggestion.

Anna Robbins And good catch; that was supposed to be plural, "the names"

Adrian Baxt-Dent Think on this. Consider this. Contemplate this....?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter tänk nu = remember now/ remember this??
Anyway I'm sure that we are in the right track or at least our transcription is near correct.

shall we proceed with the transcription:
och in man skiljer....

Dago Lesmes Suagua I say the first part goes...

Tänk nu på den namnen skiljs på namnen, och en man skiljer anden från anden från [andann?].

Dago Lesmes Suagua Something tells me the last 'anden' is different, but I'm not sure how.

Anna Robbins If we take that as an expression, it would be "tänk nu på" altogether, I'd think.

Och en man skiljer anden från anden, från andan ?

Adrian Baxt-Dent so many of these words sound so similar to German, that I keep guessing.... and I am fairly sure I am guessing wrong. anden - others???

Dago Lesmes Suagua The dictionaries tell me 'ande' is related to 'spirit',

Adrian Baxt-Dent o.k...... I will completely stop taking guesses now.

Adrian Baxt-Dent What feedback do we have on the transcription(s) provided so far???

Dago Lesmes Suagua MY OFFICIAL GUESS FOR THE FIRST PART:

Tänk nu på den namnen skiljs på namnen, och en man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Consider this, that the names are separated by the names, and a man distinguishes one from another from another one.

Anna Robbins Ignore that last comment of mine; I messed up

I'm confused. Victor, vad tycker du?

Adrian Baxt-Dent I'm going to bed. Again, just when it gets interesting.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter So Adrian, your guess is still near correct

Dago maybe the last "another one" is "the rest" ??

Adrian Baxt-Dent How much difference to meaning do the tones make?

Anna Robbins I deleted that comment, because I'm pretty sure I probably translated that wrong.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Adrian - completely different.

"Tänk nu på [...] namnen skiljs på namnen." is correct!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter in the [...] part I heard /ju/ sounds

Anna Robbins I still don't know exactly what comes between "och" and "skiljer".

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Funny, because that is the same word as [...]...!

Dago Lesmes Suagua What about my guess, Victor? :p

Anna Robbins Good to know, that I'm a pro at identifying unidentified words

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Dago:

"och [...] man skiljer anden från anden från andan." is correct!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström "Tänk nu på [...] namnen skiljs på namnen och [...] man skiljer anden från anden från andan."

Anna Robbins Still have no idea what the [...] is xD But I'll hazard a guess at the next line.

"Litet skiljer pärser från pärser, och andra katter."

Not sure about "pärser", and REALLY not sure about "och andra katter".

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Almost correct!

Dago Lesmes Suagua Look, I've collected all the info we have so far. Between brackets, the unknown words and the things that have been proposed to fill the gap.... What's outside the brackets, is supposedly correct.

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Tänk nu, på [¿eg/den?] namnen skiljs på namnen, och [¿eg/den?] man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer [¿passer/pasher/pärser?] från [¿passer/pasher/pärser?]; och andra [¿kyatter/kjette/katter?].

[¿Normannen?] [¿jer/ere/gör?] [¿to(h)?] [¿room/vrum/vrom?] [¿or/u/och?] [¿rom/rom/rum?] [¿san/som?] [¿vrummer/reumer?] [¿e/i?] [¿roum/rum/Rom?].

[¿Min/Van?] [¿norm/norman?] [¿es prysdte/spaceda?] [¿brijeste/prysdte?], [¿u/ov?] [¿jouden/vuiden?] [¿judhe/jude?] [¿jüden/judern?], [¿juht/juikt?] [¿neer/nire?] e [¿jusum/jupsson?].

Träna, träna, [¿run/und?] [¿den är/tanne?] [¿huir/hör?] [¿sjenöhjusssa?].

[¿Sleckten?] [¿Sleckten?] är [¿först?]...

[Männer ehtter ähtter vare. En pajass hör sabpat sabpat, den pajass oh tomtenn o tomtenn]

[¿Sveriger?] inte [¿er?] Sverige och [¿deras?] språk [¿vorskongen er?] gången. Lycka till!

Anna Robbins Oh, I can add clarification to some of those

Adrian Baxt-Dent although,my comment about guessing from German similarities... absent could also mean "making different." or"changing".

Dago Lesmes Suagua That's why I put it out Anna.... To people who do know a bit more of Swedish! I'm just going on instinct right now, and a great Swedish dictionary.

I just noticed it sounds so pretty I should learn and speak it.

Adrian Baxt-Dent so maybe: skills change from one to another. OR "skills are different from one to another"

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Unfortunately not.

Dago Lesmes Suagua Wait.... I've been meaning to ask this since the start. Is it possible that Swedish has a word related to the Italian 'pagliaccio'? I keep hearing something like it towards the last phrases.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Oh you pagliacci..!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Nordmän/Når man förhyra to rum ur??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Eeeuhm, nope! :S

Anna Robbins Tänk nu på [¿eg/den?] namnen skiljs på namnen, och [¿eg/den?] man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer [¿passer/pasher/pärser?] från [¿passer/pasher/pärser?]; och andra [¿kyatter/kjette/katter?].

Norrmannen [¿jer/ere/gör?] [¿to(h)?] [¿room/vrum/vrom?] [¿or/u/och?] [¿rom/rom/rum?] som [¿vrummer/reumerromer?] i Rom.

Men Norrmans [¿es prysdte/spaceda/beste/bäste?] [¿brijeste/prysdte/brister?], och ljuden gjorde ljuden gjutninger i ljusen. (I am almost positive I got this part spelt correctly, but it's a bit convoluted still)

Träna, träna, [¿run/und/från?] [¿den är/tanne/täna?] sjö [¿sjenöhjusssa/sen är ljusa?].

[¿Sleckten?] [¿Sleckten?] är [¿forst/värst?]...

[Männer ehtter ähtter vare. En pajass hör sabpat sabpat, den pajass oh tomtenn o tomtenn]
[Men är ekter, ekter värre. En pajas har sappat sappat, den pajas och tomten på tomten]
(But "sappat" isn't a word, I don't think, so I really have no idea. Might be sabbat?)

[¿Sveriger?] inte [¿er?] Sverige och [¿deras?] språk [¿vorskongen er?] gången. Lycka till!
Sverige inte [över] Sverige och det språk, [vars] gången, är gången. Lycka till!

[¿Sveriger?] inte [¿er?] Sverige och [¿deras?] språk [¿vorskongen er?] gången. Lycka till!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You're getting closer!

Anna Robbins Who's getting closer?

Anna Robbins And I just edited my comment, because it decided to not post the whole thing

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You, madame!

Anna Robbins Dago, is the word you're hearing, "pajas"?

Dago Lesmes Suagua I do. I hear "en pajas hör ¿sabpat sabpat?, den pajas ¿oh tomtenn o tomtenn?"

Anna Robbins Whoops, I forgot to put my guess in, for that line. I'll edit my comment.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Norrmannen/Nordmän/ Når man är to rum mur råm som rummer i rum??
Does that even make sense??

Anna Robbins Apparently, I did put it there. It just got separated from the rest, because that was the part that decided not to post the first time through

It's a bit neater now, and with commentary

Dago Lesmes Suagua I don't see your edited comment

Anna Robbins In that case, I'll just put the whole thing here again. Hopefully you can see it this time!

Tänk nu på [¿eg/den?] namnen skiljs på namnen, och [¿eg/den?] man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer [¿passer/pasher/pärser?] från [¿passer/pasher/pärser?]; och andra [¿kyatter/kjette/katter?].

Norrmannen [¿jer/ere/gör?] [¿to(h)?] [¿room/vrum/vrom?] [¿or/u/och?] [¿rom/rom/rum?] som [¿vrummer/reumerromer?] i Rom.

Men Norrmans [¿es prysdte/spaceda/beste/bäste?] [¿brijeste/prysdte/brister?], och ljuden gjorde ljuden gjutninger i ljusen. (I am almost positive I got this part spelt correctly, but it's a bit convoluted still)

Träna, träna, [¿run/und/från?] [¿den är/tanne/täna?] sjö [¿sjenöhjusssa/sen är ljusa?].

[¿Sleckten?] [¿/Sleckten/Slektarna?] är [¿forst/värst?]...

[Männer ehtter ähtter vare. En pajass hör sabpat sabpat, den pajass oh tomtenn o tomtenn]
>>[Men är ekter, ekter värre. En pajas har sappat sappat, den pajas och tomten på tomten]
(But "sappat" isn't a word, I don't think, so I really have no idea. Might be sabbat?)

[¿Sveriger?] inte [¿er?] Sverige och [¿deras?] språk [¿vorskongen er?] gången. Lycka till!
>>Sverige inte [över] Sverige och det språk, [vars] gången, är gången. Lycka till!

Dago Lesmes Suagua I like it. It makes sense... Specially the last phrase! Gotta go, be back in a few hours... Lycka till!

Andy Ayres Essay marking and correcting out of the way, now let's join in the fun

Tänk nu på HUR?
och andra KÄTTOR ?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Anna for the Norrmannen line, could the second word be: är?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The [...] has been found!

Anna Robbins I honestly thought the second word sounded like "gjörte", but I'm not sure that it's actually a real word

Maybe "gör det" or something similar.

Andy Ayres A stab in the dark, but is one of the "pashers" paskär (easters)?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope, sorry, Easter is "påsk" ^^

Andy Ayres And I guess it isn't "parsar" either?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I think your overcomplicating that word. Listen closely to the vowels!

Anna Robbins something along the lines of "päsker", then? That's how it sounds to me, but I don't think that's a word, either D:

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Now consider the /sh/-sound...! Or just steal it from Andy.

Anna Robbins pärser? I thought that's what I'd put before?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I missed that!

Andy Ayres So, is the pair possible pärser and perser ?

(not necessarily in that order!)

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Clever!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström But... Which is which?

Anna Robbins The first one is more of an "e" than the second...

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström e = ä in short syllables.

Andy Ayres Whuch, now that is the question! Pärser från perser? (trials from Persians?)

Anna Robbins What if it actually doesn't matter, which is which?
Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser'.
"Few can distinguish 'trials' from 'Persians'."

What I noticed, when I translated what seemed to be transcribed correctly, is that the entire point of this round is that they're all a play on words

Basically exploiting the idea that foreigners have a much harder time distinguishing between similar-sounding words in Swedish.

Andy Ayres Most of the words feature the Swedish pitch accent - a way of distinguishing words that would otherwise be pronounced the same and also to madden people like me who can read the language but neither speak or understand it being spoken :p. There are many minimal pairs - in which one word has a so-called acute accent and the other word a grave one... the intonation changes slightly from what I can gather

Andy Ayres Is the next sentence playing on the fact that rum, Rome and Romany are similar?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter yeah, very Victorish

In case both of you haven't been told about the stäla...
take a look at round 112
a very historical round, that is

Andy Ayres I imagine distinguishing which of the pair is which will be crucial to getting the correct translation. Therein lies the evilness of a supposedly benevolent round :p

Anna Robbins Exactly, and they madden me as well

I'd suppose it's the same idea as how non-natives have trouble with the Danish stød, which is a different concept but the same idea of minute difference in spoken pronunciation.

I can sort of hazard guesses as to how these words are spelt, because I watch a number of shows in Swedish, but I definitely have some improvement to do

I understand how to use the pitch accent on some words, but not on others, and I don't often pick it up while listening. It seems easier to keep track of, when I'm speaking and forced to be conscious of it. And I don't speak Swedish often at all!

Andy Ayres Victor: Rom och Rom… som Romer i Rom?

Anna: Yes, the stød is a profound enemy for those of us who've tried to learn some Danish :p. That and the orthography in general!

Sarah Karoline How I wish I could take part...

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Excellent, now a part of my evil has been revealed...!

Yup, rom och rom som romer i Rom!

Sarah Karoline May I lie and say I don't know a single word in Swedish?

Andy Ayres Men Norrmans brister brister?
But Norwegians' flaws break? *__*

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Almost, but not quite!

Andy Ayres The transcription or the translation :)? (Or both :o?)

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Both. ^^

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter vrist?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Brister is correct.

Andy Ayres Men ormens brister brister?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope. :/

Andy Ayres men normens brister brister? :/

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Aha!

Andy Ayres * V. difficult sentence, got not much of a clue with this one: Träna träna Anderna sjö, sen är ljusa?

* Släkten släkten är värst?

* Men är etter ätter vare? (the order could be the other way around)

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hmm, not quite... :/

Andy Ayres Darn. Got to go out for a while, but before I go - "En pajas har sabbat Sabbat?" (A clown has sabotaged Sabbath?)

Anna Robbins I might have made some words up in my transcription for those lines. XD not really sure.
And I've failed at multitasking, so I'll be back later to see how far we've gotten

Also, hör is hear, so it would be har in that case.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I heard: Träna träna run täna sjö

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Oh why you all forsake me??
What shall I do without you?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Maria lagi main ama anak?
bs bantuin gw gk?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Andy got one line yet again!

Anna Robbins Whoops, now that I'm listening again, some of the words are much clearer than I thought. That's what I get for listening to this while half-asleep this morning

So, would that line be:

En pajas har sabbat Sabbat, den pajas och tomten på tomten
¤ A clown has sabotaged Sabbath, the clown and elf on the plot ?

Probably got the translation wrong, but I'm assuming one is tomte-n and the other, tomt-en.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Träna träna ron/runt täna sjö?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The first "träna", "runt" and "sjö" are correct!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Ok... here we go, 1 hour research and this is what I can obtain..
men är ätter etter värre....
svärje inte er Sverige och det språk forsgången, är gången. Lycka till!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Really good!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Summary of what we have got this far:
Correct me if I'm wrong folks...

Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

Norrmannen [gjörte] rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Men Normens brister brister, och hjord gjord ljuden gjutninger i ljusen.

Träna, träna, runt [tänä] sjö [sjenö] ljusa

släkten släkten är värst...

men är ätter etter värre. En pajas har sabbat Sabbat, den pajas och tomten på tomten

svärje inte er Sverige och det språk forsgången, är gången. Lycka till!

Anna Robbins normens, not normans

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter editted...
also the word in "Träna" line, after sjö,
have you got an idea what it could be?

Anna Robbins Also, in the last line, I think it's "svärje inte er Sverige".

I had it down as, "sen är ljusa", but it doesn't make much sense.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Anna, that's what I wrote
"svärje inte er Sverige"
exactly match yours... or am I being dyslexic now? :p

Anna Robbins My bad, I was supposed to change that XD Haha, whoops.
"svärje inte är Sverige" is what I meant to change it to.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Hmmm... but if you look up above, Dago tried " är" but Victor didn't approve it.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I did not.

Anna Robbins Oh? Hmm, I missed that.
And sorry, I just found my notes that I'd made earlier. Would it be "över", so that it would read:
"svärje inte över Sverige"? "Don't swear by Sweden"?

Dago Lesmes Suagua Hello! I'm back, and I'm glad to see so much progress.

But I'm even more happy for the fact that what I wrote wasn't really -that- far from the real thing. I should start studying Swedish, haha.

And I wasn't crazy about 'pajas' :p

Andy Ayres How do, folks. I'm still out, but I'm sneakily availing of a bathroom break to check up on the progress of the game instead of doing it at the table antisocially :p.

* runt ena sjö?

* If gjörte is incorrect, then maybe it is two words gör __?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Good, everyone is here

So we can finish this off quickly, and see who will host the next round

Anna Robbins I'd suggested "gör det" earlier, but I don't know if that makes any sense, and I can't recall if I'd gotten feedback on it, but I doubt it's correct. It sounds at least like gör/gjör for the first syllable, though, regardless of whether it is one or two words.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Well, why don't we give our host some homework and let him correct my summary

then it'll be easier to rule out things and we can work with the translation.
Btw current players are: Moi, Andy, Dago & Anna.
Sarah who would you put your bet on for the future winner? :p

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Anna! Don't swear [...] Sweden!

Anna Robbins I'd naturally assume it's a preposition, such as: by, on, to, for. Still sounds like "över" to me, though.

Dago Lesmes Suagua Don't swear in sweden!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I'm not familiar with Swedish grammar, but will it make sense if I say
svärje inte för Sverige?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not:

Norrmannen, släkten (1), hjord, gjord, gjutningar, ljusen, träna (2), ljusa, det, forsgången. :p

Anna Robbins It's grammatically sensible, yeah. And that would mean, "Don't swear for/before Sweden".

Dago Lesmes Suagua Wait. That's what's WRONG?!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Över is correct, but by isn't an accurate translation.

Anna Robbins "around", then?

Sarah Karoline Vincensiu Hm... I'd say you're all in with a good chance att segra!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The English translation isn't exactly literal, and you may have to use some circumlocution. :/

Andy Ayres A quick attempt at some of the translation:

Now consider how names are separated from namesakes, and how one distinguishes the duck from the ghost from the spirit.

There is little that separates trials from Persians and other cats.

Does the Norwegian make roe and rum, like the Roma in Rome?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not Norwegian. :p

Anna Robbins The northerner?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Norrmannen = når man ??
ljusen = gjusen??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Half right!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström At least ljusen. :p

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter svärje inte över Sverige och det språk vörs gången, är gången. Lycka till!

I'm stuck with the second Träna and [tänä] also if it's not ljusa can it be så..

Geez, I need to have something to eat, my brain used up all my energy

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not vörs. :/

Anna Robbins vars?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nopes! Listen again!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I heard some shhh sounds like fersh :S

Anna Robbins Fars?

Helene Wiinholt förgången? Or försgången, but I'm not sure if that's a word, since I don't speak it. xD
I guess I'm trying to ask if it's one word instead of two.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Unfortunately not. :p

Helene Wiinholt Oh well. xD

Anna Robbins Someone already guessed försgången, and it wasn't correct

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter My brain doesn't function very well...
I think I'm going hypoglycaemic now :S
Really gotta go to eat now and the pasta took forever to boil!! Urggghh....!!

Helene Wiinholt I tried to read as much through as I could. Give me a second. c:

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Actually, Helene ninjaed me, but it was wrong, just like "cars".

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström *fars

Helene Wiinholt Först?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Almost!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The vowel is indeed correct!

Billy James Brightraven Gotta love the vrum, vrom and such.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Do I sound like that? :p

Billy James Brightraven Inte för mig, därav det komiska i att folk verkar tycka att dina r är så labialiserade

Helene Wiinholt ...What about just 'förs' then?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Förs it is!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Jag lyssnade en gång till, men jag förvånas ändock över hur folk transkriberar mina /r/ och sj-ljud!

Helene Wiinholt ..Written this language is much easier to understand. xD

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I believe that was the point Billy tried to make on another post - Swedish pronunciation is essential.

Anna Robbins I'd say the same about Danish--I still have problems with understanding it spoken.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Men vent et øjeblik...! Du er ju dansk! Forstår du ikke dine naboer!

Helene Wiinholt I can't understand it sometimes. And that's saying something.

Helene Wiinholt Nej. xD

Helene Wiinholt ...Og så bor jeg endog lige på grænsen..

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Forfærdeligt..!

Men i Skåne taler de svensk...

Helene Wiinholt ..Can someone figure out how much has been transcribed properly yet? I'm already confused again.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström *ikke svensk

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Ok, I'm back. Energy replenished.

Helene check our live page, we got a more systematical posts history over there.
If for some reason you can't access the live page, check the round page. We are currently in round 187

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Oh I forgot to say: Welcome to the game

Sarah Karoline Victor Jag tror att din "r" och din "sj" låtar "standard".
Or has my Swedish been effected by the Balko-Norrländsk I hear rather a lot... :0 :0

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I spoke quite properly, I might add.

Sarah Karoline Jag håller med........"rrrrrrrrsh rrrrrrrrrrsj rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsk".

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Did I say that!?

Sarah Karoline Naa, that was just a joke...

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Alors, maintenant nous avons:

Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.
Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.
[Nord man] [gjörte] rom och rom som romer i Rom.
Men Normens brister brister, och ljuden gjorde ljuden [gjutninger] i gjusen.
Träna, [träna], runt [tänä] sjö [sjenö] [ljusa]
[släkten] släkten är värst...
men är ätter etter värre. En pajas har sabbat Sabbat, den pajas och tomten på tomten
svärje inte över Sverige och det språk förs gången, är gången. Lycka till!

Anna/ Dago/ Andy, proofread SVP.

Justyna Rojek Nord man- Norwegian? Nordmens- Norwegians?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hmmm... I suggest you check the tones in all the pairs.

Justyna Rojek Actually, I only try to figure sth out from the transcription, as I'm on my mobile and can't play the audio

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Träna, [trädna], runt [tänna] sjö [kvinnor] [just så]??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Mmm... No, not exactly. :p

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Does Swedish have the /ɲ/ sound?

In the Norrmanen/ Nordman line I heard a weak ɲ sounds...

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's an allophone of /n/ preceding /j/. :p

Helene Wiinholt Göta/Götar/Göter? My head has started to make no sense.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You talking to this göte? ^^

Helene Wiinholt ..I confused myself again.

Arief Wibowo Justyna Rojek, may I know what phone do you use?

Does the audio player at http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/help/round-188/ work for you?

Andy Ayres Been trying to make some progress on this for the past while, but my head is spinning trying to work out the few remaining pieces of the puzzle. Unless it's already been solved, will have to come back to this with a fresh head tomorrow!

Dago Lesmes Suagua Me too... Let's all sleep now :p

Birgit Willigar The scandinavian germanic languages are very interesting! Im just curious, is lithuanian more like a germanic scandinavian language or more like a slavic language?

Billy James Brightraven More like a slavic!

Christian James Meredith *sigh* Victor what have you done.

Christian James Meredith Here I am trying to get through 100+ facebook notifications (ignoring a chat that has 1391 unread messages now), and now I'm getting the impression it's a listening comprehension round in Swedish.

Christian James Meredith Birgit it goes Indo European > Balto-Slavic > Baltic > Lithuanian

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You'll all get graded on this, you know.

Justyna Rojek Arief I use Samsung Galaxy. yes, it works! Thank you!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I'm coming back here hoping I'd be able to see some progress that I can stjalcuri...

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Sorry, I'm physicising! :p

Sarah Karoline The third word is.... [oops, computer is shutting down]

Sarah Karoline I'll try ag... [oh!]

Anna Robbins No progress? D: Vad ska vi göra nu?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Äta semlor?

Sarah Karoline Lyssna till Victors inspelning medan att äta semlor?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I'm busy doing something very important atm

while still playing the recording and trying to capture the voice of traena....

Anna Robbins Maybe it's just "trena"?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hmm... You need some grasp of colloquial Swedish to get that one.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I read that "träna" can either means train/ trees but I don't know which one is which and how to write the other one...

Anna Robbins I thought "trees" was "träden", unless there's another word? Or a colloquial form?

Helene Wiinholt Am I the only one hearing 'runt denna sjö'?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I thought it was "tenna" coz it sounds like a 't' sounds for me, but you might be right

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The Dane got it! :p

Anna Robbins The t sound was coming from "runt".... That makes sense now

Tillykke Helene

Sarah Karoline "Runt denna" were the two words I couldn't hear at all

[Cloth ear Syndrome] Ja, grattis / tillykke Helene

Dago Lesmes Suagua So we're all here now?.....

Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

[Nord man] [gjörte] rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Men Normens brister brister, och ljuden gjorde ljuden [gjutninger] i gjusen.

Träna, [träna], runt denna sjö [sjenö] [ljusa] [släkten]

Släkten är värst... men är ätter etter värre.

En pajas har sabbat Sabbat, den pajas och tomten på tomten

Svärje inte över Sverige och det språk förs gången, är gången.

Lycka till!

Helene Wiinholt Is it just me hearing the sentences being a bit.. Off? I'm just gonna throw this here:
'Sen är ljusen släckta. Släkten är värst men är ätter etter värre?'

Anna Robbins That's a really good point. I hadn't even considered rearranging.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Victor I'm stuck, and I assume others are too as there hasn't been any progress for the past 2 hours..
Could we get some clues where we can find the answers, please??

Anna Robbins You can find the answers by listening closely, or simply by booking a trip to Sweden.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Let's say that Dago's suggestion is a lot more correct than Helene's. However, Helene has got one word correct; "ljusen".

Helene Wiinholt I could be standing on Swedish soil in half an hour, but according to Victor, the gibberish they speak over there isn't even Swedish, so I don't know how much that'd help me.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I feel like I don't need to play the recording anymore as my brain is now capable to synthesise Victor's recording and play it inside my brain.
Wait! Is this an early symptom of schizoprenia??

Sarah Karoline Answers can be purchased through the donation of semlor....

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Whereto, Helene? ^^ Malmö?

Sarah Karoline Är Malmöska inte lika Göteborgska?

Helene Wiinholt Gosh, I'm not from Copenhagen. xD
I can see Helsingborg from my roof.

Anna Robbins I unfortunately don't have semlor, nor could I manage to ship them in less than two weeks, if I did indeed had them.

Malmöskar talar skånska, jag tror.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Well, if RP sounds like Jamaican, malmöitiska = göteborska.

Sarah Karoline Jag skojar att de är lika...nej, detsamma. RP <= Jamaican.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Helene, poor sod. :/

Sarah Karoline I have a very pretty picture taken of the land across the waters of Helsingborg. [One can't complain till one has visited Sala on Sunday]

Anna Robbins Am I the only one here, who hasn't been to Scandinavia at all?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Our main problem here is:
1. [Nord man] [gjörte]
2. och ljuden gjorde ljuden [gjutninger] i gjusen.
3.Träna, [träna], runt denna sjö [sjenö] ljusen
4. [släkten]Släkten är värst

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Of Helsingöuhrrh?

Sarah Karoline Ah!

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson Anna, quite possibly

Helene Wiinholt ...Does it sound like that?

Anna Robbins Oh, there we go, one actual comment related to Språkspelet

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I haven't been to Europe at all... Don't worry Anna.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Ah wait, I forgot!
I live in Wales!!

Helene Wiinholt I'm highly confused? xD As a Dane should be. Also I should be drunk and trying to swim in the icecold water, men altså, dog.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yes. I was being moderate.

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson Could I ask for a refresh?

Anna Robbins Wales counts, Vincensiu

Sarah Karoline Sorry for being off-topic

[I want to take part in SpS but I may not.]

Anna Robbins Haha, that's ok

We're at a bit of a standstill in the round, so this is what naturally happens when trying to bribe the host with semlor

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Well I haven't been to Scandinavia anyway....

Mikkel:

Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

[Nord man] [gjörte] rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Men Normens brister brister, och [ljuden] gjorde ljuden [gjutninger] i gjusen.

Träna, [träna], runt denna sjö [sjenö] ljusen

[släkten]Släkten är värst... men är ätter etter värre.

En pajas har sabbat Sabbat, den pajas och tomten på tomten

Svärje inte över Sverige och det språk förs gången, är gången.

Lycka till!

I didn't follow the translation part, but I guess you all are better than me in translating... won't take an hour for you people to translate them.

Victor Can you confirm that all the words that ARE NOT in brackets are correct??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No, the first ljuden is wrong, as well as capitalisations and punctuation. That said, I won't know if all are correct until you translate.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter ok, edited

Anna Robbins I'll take another stab at the third line. Still don't get the first bracket.

[Nord man] [går till / gjorde] rom, och rom som romer i Rom.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter och JUDEN gjorde ljuden JUNIÖR i gjusen. ??

Anna Robbins ljudningar is what I thought the first time, but it didn't come up as a word in any dictionary I had, so I thought maybe it was gjutninger.

Any chance we missed a sound, and it was bjudning?

Anna Robbins Also, I don't think "normens" is capitalised.
Any chance one of the "tomten" is actually capitalised?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Victor didn't directly criticise tomten,
maybe träna vs Träna vs TRÄNÄ ??

or maybe ljudnivåer?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Juden is correct.

Capitalisations are used only for proper nouns, "tomten" needn't be capitalised.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter only 1 correct guess??
hmmm... I guess 1 is better than nothing,

now this mysterious /judniə:r/ sounds...

Helene Wiinholt Juden gjorde ljuden just ned i gjusen/Gjusen?
..I think I might need to take a break. xD

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I'm unleashing Sarah to help you out!

Andy Ayres Just got home from quite a long day (14 hrs of work)... here are some admittedly hopeless attempts at bridging the gaps before I retire to bed :p

- Nordmännen?
- I thought one of the two släkten derived from släkt and the other from släkte, but I suppose not.
- Could "sjenö" be something related to stjärna?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström 1. Sort of.
2. Almost! But listen again.
3. No.

:p

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström However, since I got smashed in the eye during badminton practice, I'm gonna go to sleep now!

Andy Ayres My word! I'm sad to hear that that fate has befallen you. I too have had my eye smashed into during a badminton game... and I suspect foul play to this day :p.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nah, his smash was fair. And bleeding fast.

Can't exactly tell people a shuttlecock hit me in the eye though.

Anna Robbins Wish you a fast recovery, and we shall await your approval once we've progressed a bit more

Helene Wiinholt The more I struggle with this, the more I wanna record Danish.

Anna Robbins So win this round, and then you get to torment us all

Helene Wiinholt For a Dane I'm surprisingly bad at Swedish. I can't win. ^^'

Anna Robbins For an American, I am surprisingly capable of Old Norse, keep in mind. xD I am pretty sure you have a chance.

Dago Lesmes Suagua For a Latin American, I'm surprisingly good at creating a new orthography for Swedish, hahahah. Jk.

Is anyone awake? I want to continue with this bad boy, but I know I can't do it alone :p

Sarah Karoline I have been released from my cell. Here are three lines:

Tänk nu på [hur/ju] ”namnen” skiljs på ”namnen”, och kann man skiljer ”anden” från ”anden” från ”andan”.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

Norrmännen njöt av rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hur is already established!

Sarah Karoline And the rest?

Sarah Karoline "hur" really sounds like "ju" - haha

Dago Lesmes Suagua I think it goes like this....

Tänk nu på hur "namnen" skiljs på "namnen", och hur man skiljer "anden" från "anden" från "andan".

Litet skiljer "pärser" från "perser" och andra katter.

Norrmännan njöt av rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter To be able to advance in a Swedish round, one must consume a Swedish delicacy, so our brain will be synchronised to the Swedes' brain.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not norrmänNEN. ^^

Helene Wiinholt Ser ni ljusen?

Helene Wiinholt Norrmännan?

Sarah Karoline Norrman (sg.) Norrmän (pl.) Norrman (sg. def.) Norrmännen (pl.def.) [I only hear pl.def.. :(]

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's the pl.indef. :p And Helene is correct again!

Helene Wiinholt Did anyone try 'Släktens' yet?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström See, you can understand it!

Sarah Karoline Svärje inte över Sverige och dess språk

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter I thought det was correct??

our remaining unsolved phrase is:
1. Norrmännen [gjörte]......
2. och ljuden gjorde ljuden [gjutninger] i gjusen.
3.Träna, [träna], runt denna sjö ser ni ljusen

I see green, I see blue, I see multicolour, but I see no red...

Anna Robbins No, Sarah is probably right; det was one of the words Victor said was wrong!

Anna Robbins And line three should read "ser ni ljusen", thanks to Helene

Andy Ayres Are you referring to us by colour, Vincensiu? Very reminiscent of "Reservoir Dogs" :p. I've been quiet during today and yesterday except for one or two unsuccessful interventions because of my schedule - thirty minutes at the most of free time, and the rest working, with a bit of sleeping and cooking - all this on top of quite a problematic illness. It was also right in the middle of the working day when you wrote. Luckily, I have some free time tomorrow, but having contributed a fair bit to the cracking of the puzzle on Sunday, I find these last bits to very, very difficult to crack! There's only so much nuance you can hear with these particularly bad ears.

But let's try in the forlorn hope of making some progress...
* gör__? or something related to hjör?
* Träna tränar?
* This "gjutninger"... could it possibly be ____ ni är or ____ ni ger?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Haha yeah, colour of profile pic
Most likely I'll be absent for the next 24 hours due to work commitment

As much as I hate work, I gtg coz I'm financially desperate.
Probably I might be able to sneak in for fake toilet breaks and secretly turn my mobile to check sprogspelet while at work (as long as my clients/ supervisor don't know)

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström One moment, you guys are so disorganised.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Summing up, and helping you out a bit with punctuation. The two ones are also the same word.

"Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

Norrmän njöt [1] rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Men Normens brister brister, och juden gjorde ljuden [2] ner/ned i gjusen.

Träna, [3], runt denna sjö - ser ni ljusen?

Släktens släkten är värst... men är ätter etter värre?

En pajas har sabbat sabbat, den pajas [1] tomten på tomten

Svärje inte över Sverige och det språk förs gången är gången.

Lycka till!"

Sarah Karoline 1 = av [?] 2 = djup [?]

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Almost on 2! :p

Helene Wiinholt Djupt?

Sarah Karoline 2 = djupt

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yup. Big difference.

Sarah Karoline Is 1 wrong?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope.

Dago Lesmes Suagua OH MY GOD... We're closer than ever!!!!

"Tänk nu på hur namnen skiljs på namnen, och hur man skiljer anden från anden från andan.

Litet skiljer 'pärser' från 'perser' och andra katter.

Norrmän njöt av rom och rom som romer i Rom.

Men Normens brister brister, och juden gjorde ljuden djupt ner/ned i gjusen.

Träna, [3], runt denna sjö - ser ni ljusen?

Släktens släkten är värst... men är ätter etter värre?

En pajas har sabbat sabbat, den pajas av tomten på tomten

Svärje inte över Sverige och det språk förs gången är gången.

Lycka till!"

Andy Ayres 3 is not trärna, is it?

Sarah Karoline "djupt ned" [?]

Anna Robbins [3] = tränar ?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Ned and ner are essentially synonymous. And no, Andy - sorry.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope, not tränar either!

Helene Wiinholt tränare?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope. Think outside of the box - maybe you're not missing something, but rather I am?

Sarah Karoline Perhaps a consonant is missing... [?]

Anna Robbins Perhaps it's two words, and not one?

Dago Lesmes Suagua Perhaps it's not Swedish and Victor is just trying to trick us and believe it is?

Anna Robbins Trädena?

Andy Ayres All these years I recommended Swedish as the best North Germanic language to learn to those who asked me my opinion... I now feel sorry for those poor souls that I misguided :p

Anna Robbins Swedish is fun.
Not just for masochists.

Helene Wiinholt At least it's better than Danish.

Sarah Karoline I studied it in the days of yore.... It's fun (when things go to plan), as is Danish

Anna Robbins Note the "if" clause there.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Anna! Correct! Except it's wrongly declined.

Anna Robbins I knew I did that wrong.

Anna Robbins Trädna?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Hmm... Not grammatically correct yet.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Okej, settling this: träden

Sarah Karoline "Träna träden (är) runt denna sjö." Is there an "är" after "träden".

Andy Ayres An attempt at a translation, but my attempt gets pretty bad towards the end judging by how surreal some of the sentences are.

Think now of how names are distinguished from namesakes, and how one distinguishes between the spirit, the duck and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like Roma in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in the osprey.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; that clown from the garden on the gnome.

Do not swear* over Sweden and that language is led to the time that is gone. Good luck!

* Or is it some colloquial rendering of Sverige?

Adrian Baxt-Dent I dont; reckon you wold be far off Andy Ayres, as I think part of the point of the passage was to highlight the similar sounding words with different meanings, often differentiates only tonally.

Anna Robbins I feel as if maybe garden and gnome should be switched, but it still doesn't quite make sense

Anna Robbins And yes, I am pretty sure Victor confirmed that "svärje inte" is indeed "do not swear".

Andy Ayres I don't know, Adrian, I think the Jewish osprey and the end of the last sentence in particular are too funky to be correct, even in an exercise like this! The gnome garden line is weird too; I agree with you, Anna, that swapping them makes more sense, but i put them in that order going by the pitch accent each word is supposed to have and what it sounds like to me (probably incorrectly!).

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Not osprey.

And revise a few pairs. Roma is wrong, by the way. And you need a new translation of "förs".

Helene Wiinholt Isn't Gjusen a lake too?

Anna Robbins My interpretation of some of the lines:

¤ Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like wandering in Rome.

¤ Don't swear over Sweden, and the language before time is the way.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Helene is correct!

Sorry, Anna :/ The clue is in the tone.

Anna Robbins I should listen again when I get the chance

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yeah, "förs" and "som [...] i Rom" are what you are looking for!

Anna Robbins Oh! Wait, is it like the expression, "as the Romans do in Rome" ?

Billy James Brightraven Sort of

Helene Wiinholt By this point my brain is just going: 'Is this even Swedish?'

Helene Wiinholt Förs: for/because ?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No, unfortunately not, on both questions. :/ And Billy - don't trick them!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Don't give up now!

Helene Wiinholt I'm so lost. xD

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You have the word: förs. Look it up!

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson To lead?

Billy James Brightraven In a way!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter förs --> föra

1) forsla, fortskaffa, befordra, transportera (ngn l. ngt från ett ställe till ett annat); äv. oeg. o. bildl. Härunder bl. a.: föra i boet l. huset (d

2) sätta (ngt) i rörelse o. därigm förflytta (det); draga, skjuta, driva (ngt ngnstädes hän) o. d.

3) med avs. på vissa fortskaffningsmedel: manövrera, navigera o. d.

4) förmå l. tvinga (ngn) att följa med sig, taga (ngn) med sig; leda, ledsaga (ngn) o. d.; äv. oeg. o. bildl.

5) intr.: leda (ngnstädes hän l. till ngt); äv. i överförd anv. B

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's not a verb. :p It's not a noun.

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson The only other definition Wikt gives is "Before"

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter förs = förstäv ??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Mnnoo...

Helene Wiinholt First?

Andy Ayres Quick dive whilst there's a lull in my lesson - förs = a bow's?

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Google imaged förs, result:
Christian cross, a flag that is similar to Finnish flag, a woman, a flower and scary medical picture.

Andy I tried förstäv, but Victor said Mnnoo...

Andy Ayres Perhaps it´s a contraction of för and an article or pronoun?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's not a noun or a verb, so images won't be very helpful. :p And it is indeed a contraction, or rather abbreviation of A word.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I recommend translating the ensuing part of the sentence!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Ughhh I misread your earlier post Victor, I thought you said "It is a noun".... stupid me...
Anyway whoever win this round, maybe we should go back to traditional sprogspelet... text....

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Maybe I just made it a bit too... Difficult?

Anna Robbins Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

Isn't förs a contraction of some sort of adverb?
Unfortunately, I can't really listen again, as I'm in a public place and besides the fact that it would be hard to hear it, it would also be weird if I turned up the volume on my laptop.

As a result, I can't figure out which gången is which, simply based on the written transcription. If I made sense of it by knowing what förs was, it might be clearer to me. But it's like a math equation where I'm missing three variables D:

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström If you're missing three, just make a system and substitute! ^^

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter you all sounds like very intelligent people here...
I feel stupid

Anna Robbins I did that with circuits all morning!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Ooh! What did you work with?

Okay, last clue: Förrns

Anna Robbins We were just practising every possible case in existence for node voltage analysis

Willing to bet that it's more than likely on our quiz on Friday.

The hint is flying over my head... I am going to look into this more, before I continue trying, as it seems I'm stabbing at thin air. No idea if that's actually an idiom, or if I'm sleep-deprived enough that I just made something up

Helene Wiinholt Untill?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Ah, Kirchhoff's then?

How boring. :/

And the Dane's right!

Anna Robbins Yeah, it was pretty easy. There were some fun cases, though. Or at least more interesting than the really basic circuits.

See, Helene, you /can/ possibly win this round

Helene Wiinholt I'm just too disorganised to have an overview of everything.. ^^'

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Have you started with differential voltages yet?

Now make a summary!

Sarah Karoline Am I allowed to guess what the complete word May be? [I've spent about 15 mins searching for it.]

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Please do!

Sarah Karoline För dess or Förrän [I'm not confident in either choice..., but...]

Anna Robbins förrän, if Helene is correct.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The second.

Anna Robbins And no, we haven't gotten to differential voltages yet, and I can't remember if we start those during this semester, or the next. I'm in a differential equations course, as well, but all we've been doing is (boring) population models and salt concentration in a water tank.

Sarah Karoline My source: lexikon.ordspel.se

Helene Wiinholt I know the word förrns, which in Danish would be 'førend'. Förrän is the Swedish equivalent.

Anna Robbins I got it when you said "until"

Sarah Karoline Sorry Helene, I hadn't seen your post

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström There's more to it, it's very applicable in physics.

Excellent, excellent, now let's not get stuck!

Sarah Karoline Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time has passed (literally: *is gone.) ?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yes!

Anna Robbins Yes, it's taught in our electrophysics class as well

Yay, Sarah

Sarah Karoline But what is time.... (but that's a question for a different topic

)

Anna Robbins A relative way of measuring a progression of a process that occurs, which quite possibly has an inverse in another dimension?

Sarah Karoline You passed!

Anna Robbins Speaking of which, I need to run to physics class now

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I prefer to view it as a function of the scalar expansion of the universe, neglecting relative time.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Ask him why you can't derive a social scientist!

Sarah Karoline "...som romer i Rom" = "like the Romany in Rome"?
[now it's time for me to get on with some work.]

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter My God, I wish I am a quarter smart as you guys

probably I'm the most stupid participant in this group.
I wonder if I will be allowed to join this game any longer...

Multilingual scientist!!!!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Don't be silly! :p

Helene Wiinholt Was Sarah right, btw?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Romany or Romani, yes!

Helene Wiinholt I'm gonna try to sum up what we have. (Hope I remembered everything.)

Think now of how names are distinguished from namesakes, and how one distinguishes between the spirit, the duck and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that trick from the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time has passed.
Good luck!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Close! There's still a pair that needs checking, though. And the second to last line isn't fully correct.

Helene Wiinholt Groom the trees around this lake; do you see the lights?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström The first pair.

Helene Wiinholt I'm so confused by this point. xD

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Listen to "namnen" :p

Helene Wiinholt This is not helping my natural hatred towards anything Swedish, which I was born with as a Dane.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Don't worry, we hate you too!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter uuurghhh this very last moment...
when all the answer are nearly revealed... almost there
When the victory is just a step ahead

I can see Helene is in the lead atm, but will she be crowned as the champion??
Or will stjälcuri change everything completely??
Who will be crowned as the winner of this puzzling Swedish round??
we shall see the development in the next episode, but for now little Vincey has to go to dreamland...

Sarah Karoline Or will the bridge be severed?!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Öresund?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström C'mon, you can get this!

Helene Wiinholt Should names and namesakes be switched, or are there more meanings to the word?

Sarah Karoline Any bridge, even a metaphysical bridge. [Just light-hearted banter as I'm too exhausted to think! haha]
Good luck to all players

Or should that be "tillykke".

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Yes, Helene!

Switch'em! Same with the spirit and duck. Then there's just the second "pajas" which is wrongly translated. :p

Helene Wiinholt Antic/idea?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Nope, sorry.

Helene Wiinholt I'm afraid my English vocabulary isn't very big, so I'm kinda lost.

Andy Ayres A late night attempt :p...

Think now of how names are distinguished from namesakes, and how one distinguishes between the duck, the spirit and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that clown from the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time has passed. Good luck!

Helene Wiinholt that clown and the gnome in the garden?

Sarah Karoline And now we have two contenders. Who shall win? Will the trophy across the Still Sea or be passed to the Roaring Seas of this Isle? Perhaps a stjälcurier will appear in these final moments and the trophy will be diverted to a distant shore, where it's hitherto not yet visited....

Anna Robbins A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; that trick by the gnome from the garden?

Back from physicising and differentiating

Dago Lesmes Suagua How about this option?
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Think now of how namesakes are distinguished from the names, and how one distinguishes between the duck, the spirit and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that clown from the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time is gone.

Good luck!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Vincensiu hitting alert button:
THREAD REVIVING MODE: ACTIVATE

Dago Lesmes Suagua Yeah, well....... We're all awaiting for a life sign coming from Victor, I guess

Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson Frickin' Swedish... (I kid, I kid)

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Sorry, late day, I was busy at work and school. :/ Well, Dago is the closest, but not "-from- the names", and I am not too keen on the "trick-clown" pair. Almost there!

Helene Wiinholt A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that clown of a gnome in the garden.
All this guesswork.. >.>

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Consider - is it common to use an "of"-genitive in Swedish?

Helene Wiinholt I don't understand grammar, so I'm afraid I don't understand.. ^^'

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Let me just say that "av" is instrumental in creating the passive in Swedish...!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that gnome clown in the garden??

Anna Robbins A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; that has been tricked by the gnome in the garden ?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Almost, Anna! Look up the verb though!

Anna Robbins Well, I looked it up, and found "fuck" in the dictionary.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Eehm. No. :S

However, Clown is the first pajas.

Anna Robbins How about:

A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; it has been busted by the gnome in the garden ??

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström That's good enough! Just one little preposition left!

Anna Robbins it has been busted by the gnome from the garden?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No, no the "from the names", skiljs på namnen.

Anna Robbins Åhhh. Ok then

I'll think about that next.

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström You're close!

Anna Robbins Think now of how the namesakes are distinguished BY the names.

Anna Robbins Unless it's flipped the other way?

Andy Ayres Think now of how the names' namesakes are distinguished , and how one distinguishes between the duck, the spirit and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; that trick at the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time is gone.

Good luck!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I think Anna should make her final attempt now!

Anna Robbins Andy, perhaps you've missed the update on the clown and gnome

Andy Ayres Indeed I have, Anna! Using comp furtively on phone, not much ability to check back at posts!

Think now of how the names' namesakes are distinguished , and how one distinguishes between the duck, the spirit and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A trick has sabotaged Sabbath; that clown at the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time is gone.

Good luck!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Anna - You can win if you implement the changes. :p

Anna Robbins Still missed that line again.

And my goal isn't to win this round, unless you don't mind my disappearing sporadically as I pour my time into differentiating equations and writing up lab reports

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I have been doing exactly that for a week now. :p

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter This is so fun to watch!!!!

The fine line that distinguish the champion from the rest is just few seconds!!

Helene Wiinholt You could always let me try Danish on them if you win, Anna.

Anna Robbins Helene XD Well then:

Think now of how the namesakes are distinguished by the names, and how one distinguishes between the duck, the spirit and the ghost.

Little distinguishes trials from Persians and other cats.

Norwegians enjoyed rum and roe, like the Romany in Rome.

But the norm’s deficiencies break, and the Jewish person made noises deep in Gjusen.

Train, trees, around this lake; do you see the lights?

Genera’s family are worst, but are (noble) families even worse?

A clown has sabotaged Sabbath; it has been busted by the gnome in the garden.

Don't swear about Sweden and that language until time is gone.

Good luck!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Andy, Anna or Helen???
Or will there be someone else stjalcuri-ing in the last second???
p.s. the thief could be me though, who has been silently watching this thread for a while

Anna Robbins Or, we could suddenly all find out that this was a round in reverse Swedish, and none of us have been right at all

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström That is quite decent enough! Anna Robbins is our winner! Nikítria!

Anna Robbins I stand corrected.

Andy Ayres Well done, Anna!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Finally! I am so retiring.

Anna Robbins Retiring from Språkspelet, or retiring from speaking Swedish?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Both. All Greek and Danish for me. And chess.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Anna Robbins

Dago Lesmes Suagua Oh how bad.... I was close for a second, but I had to leave.... Congratulations to Anna anyway!

Dago Lesmes Suagua I hope I win some time soon.... I've been inspired by Victor's ideas to create something really REALLY evil.

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Trivia: The round fell into "pale orange" category with the rating 4816.
4th highest rating from all sprogspelets round to date.
The round was also the second longest round by the number of post.

....Something that Arief would usually say :p

Helene Wiinholt And just when I decided to take part. xD

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Of the top 10 most difficult rounds, 5 of them are hosted by Victor

source:
http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/rounds/?sort=rating&desc=1

BTW Victor, you are too young to retire :p, have a break and come again. The game will be dull without you.

Anna Will it be a traditional text round this time? :p

Sarah Karoline Anna

Anna Robbins I can't honestly think of anything I could record as an audio, and actually be able to do it properly myself, so I suppose it will end up being a text round

Sarah Karoline And commiserations to our runners up who've worked just as hard Andy Helene Dago Vincensiu . For you I offer the following:

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Me alegra d escucharlo

Sarah Karoline And to our former host for his patience Victor

Sarah Karoline [End of photos :)] Anna: You could always record three simple words... Of course this isn't a hint

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No porridge!

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Anna if possible would you mind starting a new thread to avoid technical difficulties, as the post in this round has reached 500+?

Anna Robbins Sure, I can do that.

Anna Robbins Here we go, Thread 19 and Round 189 (I think) of everyone's favourite game, Språkspelet or Sprogspelet! Welcome to all newcomers, and welcome back to all of our regular participants

Our short but legendary history of the popular Språkspelet is that it was created by the locally renowned Malin Elisabeth Nilsson!

For more info, please refer to our website at:
http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/

Dago Lesmes Suagua Oh yes... This one's mine baby!

Anna Robbins Sorry, I'm having Internet problems at the moment, and couldn't tell that this had finally posted

I'll come up with a round soon.

Sarah Karoline I'll do some tagging: Arief Vincensiu Billy Дайте [Can't tag any else for some reason....]

Arief Wibowo The charming game continues here https://www.facebook.com/groups/omniglot/permalink/10152197465664666/

Arief Wibowo Tagging spree Andy Ayres, Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson, Adrian Baxt-Dent, Justyna Rojek, Maria Weidner, Edmund Yong, Zeke Kornberg, Matteo Cheri, Kevin Long, Fahd Mir Jan
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Avid Språkspelers can utilize the live page:
http://sprogspelet.arwi.im/live/
to track the game

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Anna Robbins, you actually have just won round 188, your round is therefore 189

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I realized I haven't said welcome to Helene Wiinholt, hopefully you enjoy the game and wiin!!

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By the way, do you think it's a good idea to make the system send an email to your email addresses whenever there's a new round and new thread?

Anna Robbins Oops

My bad. xD I was having issues trying to tag people as well, but from my mobile

which is an issue unto itself. So, thank you guys for tagging people

I think the email idea is nice, although I usually get notifications galore anyway, so I know when it starts

But sure, if it saves us from tagging people. And sorry, I'm studying for circuits again, so I'll come up with a new round once I'm awake in the morning and post it here. Apologies for the delay!

Arief Wibowo No worries, we are helpful tagging bots (not to be confused with helpful glossing bot).

Or I can try to make the system send messages into Facebook Messages too, or both (let each person have option)... A new feature coming soon

Unfortunately I can't tag people by posting a computer-generated comment.

I am still in my leave of absence though, I will start joining our rounds after my work is done

To all players,
STJÄLCURI FOR THE WIN!!!

Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Where's the phrase??:p

ah just saw Anna's post.
OK I'll wait. I'm working today anyway so can't participate maximally

Billy James Brightraven I await with excitement.

Sarah Karoline So during this wait, should we brush up on Estonian or Danish. That is the question...

Billy James Brightraven eesti eesti eesti

Helene Wiinholt Det der dansk, da. c:

Sarah Karoline Perhaps Klingon?

Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I thought we agreed on no conlangs? :/

Anna Robbins Nope, not a conlang

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