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Arief Wibowo [Ha] man [ta'tt] fan [ombod] [må] man [ro'n] [i] [lann]
(fingers crossed, man and fan as in English)
(fingers crossed, man and fan as in English)
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No, not exactly... For both of you! But keep at it. You are close with "man", but it's not that transparent! 
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It's Scandinavian. I used a rather simple dialect, to make googling more difficult. Well, "må" is actually Pan-Scandinavian.
Arief Wibowo Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström, does this long combo of words comes with free punctuation mark(s)?
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Dammit, I thought Swedish used å instead of æ. I really need to open that Colloquial Swedish manual again.
Ta'tt = tat(t) = that?
Ta'tt = tat(t) = that?
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Haha, there could be a comma somewhere in there:
"Ha man ta'tt fan ombod, må man ro'n i lann."
No, no, Jill, we use ä for that. And in "ta'tt", the apostrophe indicates that there is a longer form of the word.
"Ha man ta'tt fan ombod, må man ro'n i lann."
No, no, Jill, we use ä for that. And in "ta'tt", the apostrophe indicates that there is a longer form of the word.
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Double consonants (I think), Italian is full of those. Try pronouncing it as if it was "tat to".
Arief Wibowo lann = land?
If yes, then "i" might be "the"
[Ha] (man) [ta'tt] [fan] [ombod], [må] (man) [ro'n] the land
If yes, then "i" might be "the"
[Ha] (man) [ta'tt] [fan] [ombod], [må] (man) [ro'n] the land
Sophia Jill So maybe "man" means "someone"? (I was thinking of one of my favorite German ads with the caption "So trägt man Pelz", featuring a shirtless Thomas Kretschmann holding a kitty. And thinking about how much I envied that kitty. But I digress.... 
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)Arief Wibowo Thanks to visitsweden.com and Jill Sophia:
[Ha] (someone) [ta'tt] [fan] [ombod], [må] (someone) [ro'n] in land
Unfortunately for me, the only Scandinavian word I know that starts with "ta" is "takk" or "tack" (thanks)
(so much for my lifelong dream to retire in Scandinavia)
[Ha] (someone) [ta'tt] [fan] [ombod], [må] (someone) [ro'n] in land
Unfortunately for me, the only Scandinavian word I know that starts with "ta" is "takk" or "tack" (thanks)
(so much for my lifelong dream to retire in Scandinavia)
Sophia Jill The tomato sauce on pizza contains lycopene, an antioxidant which is very good for your health. Hence you are indeed making progress, albeit not in translating Victor's quote.
Arief Wibowo The lycopene molecules inspired me on two things:
The old meaning of fanatic is possessed (if not mistaken, in a bad way)... Could fan=spirit/ghost/devil?
Second is, ombod looks like embodiment... If I mix the two, it means "devil embodiment"
If I am wrong, blame the pesto sauce (half of my pizza was topped with pesto)
[Ha] one [ta'tt] devil embodiment, [må] one [ro'n] in land
The old meaning of fanatic is possessed (if not mistaken, in a bad way)... Could fan=spirit/ghost/devil?
Second is, ombod looks like embodiment... If I mix the two, it means "devil embodiment"
If I am wrong, blame the pesto sauce (half of my pizza was topped with pesto)
[Ha] one [ta'tt] devil embodiment, [må] one [ro'n] in land
Arief Wibowo [Ha] one [ta'tt] devil [ombod], [må] one [ro'n] in land
Hmm... Ombod sounds familar, but I can't place it...
By any chance we have English word that come from/cognate with it?
Hmm... Ombod sounds familar, but I can't place it...
By any chance we have English word that come from/cognate with it?
Arief Wibowo Ombudsman means representative... Could it be devil's representative?
[Ha] one [ta'tt] devil's representative, [må] one [ro'n] in land
[Ha] one [ta'tt] devil's representative, [må] one [ro'n] in land
Christian James Meredith Wait, clearly this is some dialectal accented stuff so I doubt standard swedish'll help
Arief Wibowo I checked the etymology of ombudsman, it comes from Swedish, but Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström says ombod came from English... Anyway, I was just guessing, because it sounds similar
Дайте Нефть Из Баку During my lunch I was visited by the spirit of the Great Chili Pepper, and he showed me many great truths. He didn't speak Swedish, sadly, so I haven't made any progress either.
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström Christian, if you just consider that sentence... Check if something could add up better.
Christian James Meredith Sounds like something like "If one takes the role of the devil's advocate, he should be prepared to row (a boat) on land", but the actual grammar is much simpler
Christian James Meredith I have a feeling that ombud was a "proxy" to understanding this now that I've ditched him 
Christian James Meredith Oh, "If one takes the role of the devil, he should be prepared to row on land"?
Christian James Meredith BTW - all potential Swedish learners, this is the one area where Swedish becomes difficult - they say crazy stuff all the time.
Christian James Meredith See? The Swedes cheat when they speak! The grammar? Easy! Even the phonology! Then they flip it over on you
Arief Wibowo I got the feeling that it means if you bring devil/badness along with you, you will be ditched away...
Christian James Meredith Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström but we tell people that before hand, you guys go one about all these mergers with dental consonants and retroflex pronunciations and stuff
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström My dialect has no retroflex consonants ^^. My sociolect does, though.
Not "aground", and not "may".
Not "aground", and not "may".
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Or maybe that if you sign a pact with the devil you can do everything (row on land), but it comes at a great price because... a truck can tear your boat apart?
Christian James Meredith Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström, true, but "ro" can be an infinitive, and 'n could just be something shoved into it. Which is the problem here - what the hell is 'n?
Christian James Meredith that is, assuming -'n is "en" and "en" is the object of "man". Or something like that
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Arief Wibowo I just came back home from work. Had a horrible shift
staff shortage again, workload overload
staff shortage again, workload overload
Christian James Meredith OK, I'm looking in the folkets lexikon and I can not figure out what this 'n is meant to be. I'm just gonna list random things until I get it
Christian James Meredith I'm thinking of hilarious consequences for having the devil on board ye ship
Christian James Meredith "(If) one has taken the devil aboard, one should row that (common gender, because the devil is a hermaphrodite) ashore"
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström No sorry, "ro" means "to row". Okay, you're never gonna solve it. 'n means "honom", or "him".
Christian James Meredith Well, I said "that", but I actually mean "it".
"(If) one has taken the devil aboard, one should row it back ashore".
"(If) one has taken the devil aboard, one should row it back ashore".
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Må = must = should (sort of).
I reckon "back" is there because it's a common conception that the devil doesn't come from the sea (not according to Christianity, anyway).
I reckon "back" is there because it's a common conception that the devil doesn't come from the sea (not according to Christianity, anyway).
Christian James Meredith But yeah, everyone knows the devil comes from Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Purgatory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Purgatory
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Actually, "(if) one has taken the devil aboard, one should row him ashore" sounds like "hey, guys from the mainland, take this devil I found! I'll go back to my beloved sea now, you have fun!"
Christian James Meredith (not actually my serious translation, which is still 3 or 4 posts back):
"And I say unto thee: If thou findest the devil aboard thy ship, row him unto the nearest Dane, and deposit him at his doorstep." CJM version.
"And I say unto thee: If thou findest the devil aboard thy ship, row him unto the nearest Dane, and deposit him at his doorstep." CJM version.
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Why Ireland? Mount Hekla and Mount Etna are good candidates for the Gates Of Hell Award as well.
Arief Wibowo I found a Malaysian artist called Yee I Lann, but I think we don't row the devil to her...
Christian James Meredith Well it really just means "on land", but it's not the problem bit here anymore it seem (at least, English ashore/aground cover those senses).
Дайте Нефть Из Баку, because Ireland's economy is going strong, Iceland's volcanos keep erupting and causing air traffic delays, and growing nationalism in Italy has the devil worried about his future work prospects in the country.
Дайте Нефть Из Баку, because Ireland's economy is going strong, Iceland's volcanos keep erupting and causing air traffic delays, and growing nationalism in Italy has the devil worried about his future work prospects in the country.
Christian James Meredith I just felt a wave of euphoria go over me, like we had just slain the evil madman bent on destroying our kingdom, but then felt like there was nothing more for me to do and that my purpose had ceased to be.
Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström It means that you need to complete what you have started. :p
Har man tagit fan ombord måste man ro honom i land.
Har man tagit fan ombord måste man ro honom i land.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Victor Wåhlstrand Skärström I once watched a Swedish movie titled onskand, which means devil. so is it synonymous with fan?
Christian James Meredith Wow, that's like a completely differently language. Well, not really. But at least written it feels a lot different.
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Christian, about the gates of hell thing: http://satwcomic.com/iceland-ain-t-right
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