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Wrik Chatterjee Did I get either the right family or the right region? Btw, I'm getting mojibake for some of this.
Billy James Brightraven Weeeeird, I'm not seeing the delta after ху-.
Anyone else experiencing font failure?
Anyone else experiencing font failure?
Ed Blankenship Correct family. And it's a language that doesn't have a huge number of speakers so the orthography is a bit... meh. I'll scan the page and put it up
Ed Blankenship And I should correct that. Wrik - You're in the same family as Ossetian, not Bashkir.
And good lord no... this isn't Tajik
And good lord no... this isn't Tajik
Arief Wibowo (at risked on being shown the exit door from Sprogspelet)
I performed CSI analytics on your scanned pic, discovered you scan it from a book called "SHUGHNI PRACTICE"
I performed CSI analytics on your scanned pic, discovered you scan it from a book called "SHUGHNI PRACTICE"
Ed Blankenship Oh... my bad - The next page (which you could see through to) says "Shughni Practice Book" hahahaha my bad!
Arief Wibowo Now I shall show myself to the exit door...
My life is still ställified, I will be back once my problems are resolved, I promise!
Have a nice round!
My life is still ställified, I will be back once my problems are resolved, I promise!
Have a nice round!
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Mon Dieu! I woke up to find another cryptic round :p
Anyway I got exam today, so good luck to all the players
Arief, u literally can work for CSI.
Anyway I got exam today, so good luck to all the players
Arief, u literally can work for CSI.
Arief Wibowo Vincensiu Dionisiu, I can neither confirm nor deny that I am neither working nor not working for CSI...
And of course, good luck for your exam!
And of course, good luck for your exam!
Ed Blankenship If you all think this might be a bit too hard/impossible, just let me know and I'll pick something else.
Jake Kissinger It appears we have a language that is not listed on Omniglot! I'm pretty sure we've had some like that before, but it's not too common.
Jake Kissinger Is that letter that looks like a lowercase Delta representing the voiced interdental, like Eth in Icelandic? I'm thinking that's the only extra letter they'd need in addition to the Tajik alphabet; what is it's capital form? I guess this isn't hugely helpful; I'm just curious.
Arief Wibowo Sarah Karoline, through the usual CSI zoom in and enhance procedure 
http://www.memecenter.com/fun/368089/csi-zoom-in
http://www.memecenter.com/fun/368089/csi-zoom-in
Sarah Karoline You shine a torch at it, stare at it for three minutes (knowing it's too small to read), then you place it in a supergigantische machine. Five hours later the machine has the answer....
That is my translation of Shrugni!
That is my translation of Shrugni!
Jake Kissinger I'm about to take a whack at it. Isn't there a dictionary somewhere in these resources?
Brad Wilson The dictionaries provided are latin script (need to transcribe) and seem limited in entries
Jake Kissinger I could try to come up with a transcription based on the Latin alphabet the Wikipedia page gives.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Here are my issues:
1. The dictionary is listed in Latin alphabet
2. I cannot find a guide of phonology in Cyrillic (Cyrillic transcription)
3. The dictionary does not provide complete lexicon and not in a very systematic order.
1. The dictionary is listed in Latin alphabet
2. I cannot find a guide of phonology in Cyrillic (Cyrillic transcription)
3. The dictionary does not provide complete lexicon and not in a very systematic order.
Jake Kissinger It seems like in the Latin alphabet they're doubled to make the distinction. I really wish Wikipedia gave some of the sounds in IPA & not just in English equivalency, but there are some IPA charts in Eddie's resources; I don't remember any of them actually being paired up with either alphabet, though.
Jake Kissinger Wow! I hadn't really looked at it that closely; this is such an interesting mix of Latin and Greek characters in the Cyrillic alphabet! :-O
Ed Blankenship meth ≠ with Christian
Upon looking again, a couple of words in this poem don't even appear in my own Shughni dictionary let alone in the online resources. So, may its for the best to call this a miss and put up a new text.
Upon looking again, a couple of words in this poem don't even appear in my own Shughni dictionary let alone in the online resources. So, may its for the best to call this a miss and put up a new text.
Jake Kissinger That v isn't an izhitsa, is it? That'd be cool if it is, but why? What sound does it represent?
Christian James Meredith I can't even get the dictionary to work haha...
I'll try transliterating for those of you with better luck than me:
E, khudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib
E, khodhoy maavaa pye(?) wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu jhuun***
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi jhuon***
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh niixh?n***
***Wild guesses based on deductive reasoning and the WIkipedia article
Note where I have "ye", could easily be "e", and maybe those initial "e"s stand for something else.
I'll try transliterating for those of you with better luck than me:
E, khudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib
E, khodhoy maavaa pye(?) wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu jhuun***
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi jhuon***
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh niixh?n***
***Wild guesses based on deductive reasoning and the WIkipedia article
Note where I have "ye", could easily be "e", and maybe those initial "e"s stand for something else.
Ed Blankenship E, khudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib
E, khodhoy maavaa [pye(?)] wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu [jhuun]
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi [jhuon]
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
If you'd like, I can upload this book's description of the Shughni alphabet.
E, khodhoy maavaa [pye(?)] wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu [jhuun]
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi [jhuon]
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
If you'd like, I can upload this book's description of the Shughni alphabet.
Jake Kissinger This is what I got; the Latin orthography looks pretty weird, & it was hard to tell what some of its sounds were in addition to some of the odder Cyrillic letters.
E, xudhoy
Warqa Oxonniyoz
E, xudhoy maak mu wam meeth nasib,
E, xudhoy maavaa pey wam meeth qarib
E, xudhoy laak mu naan meent mu xeez
E, xudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, xudhoy saam tu qabul xor mu mak
Naan aveen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist,
E xudhy kudakath afgor mu mak
E xudhoy na-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu juun
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi juon
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bee naan
Ay xudhoy maadha tu dam meedh niixhoon
E, xudhoy
Warqa Oxonniyoz
E, xudhoy maak mu wam meeth nasib,
E, xudhoy maavaa pey wam meeth qarib
E, xudhoy laak mu naan meent mu xeez
E, xudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, xudhoy saam tu qabul xor mu mak
Naan aveen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist,
E xudhy kudakath afgor mu mak
E xudhoy na-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu juun
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi juon
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bee naan
Ay xudhoy maadha tu dam meedh niixhoon
Jake Kissinger I think the main differences between Christian's transcription and mine are in those words Eddie says are wrong, though, except I also was wrong in using double-Es for every e.
Ed Blankenship That's cool Jake. Yours is pretty good. be careful with the word "meeth" and "meent" there's no reason for the /e/ to be long.
According to my book, Shughni long /e/ is marked as ē or ê. However, we are also well aware of inconsistent orthography in this case. (Thus making it more interesting)
According to my book, Shughni long /e/ is marked as ē or ê. However, we are also well aware of inconsistent orthography in this case. (Thus making it more interesting)
Jake Kissinger In that case:
E, xudhoy
Warqa Oxonniyoz
E, xudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib,
E, xudhoy maavaa pee wam meth qarib
E, xudhoy laak mu naan ment mu xez
E, xudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, xudhoy saam tu qabul xor mu mak
Naan aveen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist,
E xudhy kudakath afgor mu mak
E xudhoy na-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu juun
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi juon
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye (any particular reason this isn't be?) naan
Ay xudhoy maadha tu dam medh niixhoon
E, xudhoy
Warqa Oxonniyoz
E, xudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib,
E, xudhoy maavaa pee wam meth qarib
E, xudhoy laak mu naan ment mu xez
E, xudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, xudhoy saam tu qabul xor mu mak
Naan aveen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist,
E xudhy kudakath afgor mu mak
E xudhoy na-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu juun
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi juon
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye (any particular reason this isn't be?) naan
Ay xudhoy maadha tu dam medh niixhoon
Ed Blankenship Yeah but the Z is a different sound... But noticed there isn't a /v/. That's just a fault in the orthography. Just like the fact that /e/ (without a marking) doesn't appear in the alphabet but yet it appears plenty in the text and after the alphabet it says that ê is a long vowel.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Chiara interested in playing this game again? We got some Iranian round
Wrik Chatterjee khudhoy="hunger?" Just going by possible Indo-Iranian cognates.
gharib=either "foreign" or "poor"
gharib=either "foreign" or "poor"
Ed Blankenship It is oblique/accusative, but it's also a genitive. I might have been thinking of it's use in a different line
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter No, the game hasn't died yet. It's just our attention have been shifted to Eurovision!
#JoinUs !
#JoinUs !
Arief Wibowo Sooooooo who wants to stjälcuri the round and riseeeee like a phoenix?
We've been in the calm after the storm for a bit too long now.
Undo this round?
You're not alone.
Don't keep on running running running.
[...]
Or you guys are just like me: stuck dancing in the rain with the weahweohweohweah rainmaker...?
(Okay, s'nuff #Eurovision puns for a day! )
--
I am still too busy too participate though I really really want to :'(
MAY THE BEST STJÄLCURI WINS!
We've been in the calm after the storm for a bit too long now.
Undo this round?
You're not alone.
Don't keep on running running running.
[...]
Or you guys are just like me: stuck dancing in the rain with the weahweohweohweah rainmaker...?
(Okay, s'nuff #Eurovision puns for a day!
)--
I am still too busy too participate though I really really want to :'(
MAY THE BEST STJÄLCURI WINS!
Jake Kissinger I'm pretty busy, too, finals & all. I keep getting distracted by the Internet, but I'm trying not to.
I keep getting distracted by the Internet, but I'm trying not to.Jake Kissinger I'll take a wild guess, though: if Christian's right that khudhoy is lord, then maybe the last line is "O, Lord, kumbaya."
Arief Wibowo Lycka juang for your studies, Jake Kissinger, and umm... stjälcuri is prooobably not a good idea during finals
Arief Wibowo Helpful refresh bot
?243:
Latin script:
E, khudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib
E, khodhoy maavaa [pye(?)] wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu [jhuun]
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi [jhuon]
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
Original script:
Э, ху
?243:
Latin script:
E, khudhoy maak mu wam meth nasib
E, khodhoy maavaa [pye(?)] wam meth qarib
E, khudhoy laak mu naan ment mu khez
E, khudhoy maak mu mulkand mu gharib
E, kudhoy saam tu qabul khor mu mak
Naan avyen darbadarat zor mu maak
Ghal mu naan yast wuzum parvo nist
E khudhoy kudakath afgor mu mak
E kudhoy ya-ta tsa tizd, tizd ta mu [jhuun]
Aga nay wuz ta tsaraangum pi [jhuon]
Fukath naan luuvdataa wuz bye naan
Ay khudhoy maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
Original script:
Э, ху
Brad Wilson Here is a story recited in Shughni with English translation. Perhaps you can find some words in this common with the entry. http://www.stafaband.info/download/mp3/pnfwsUkuRL0.html
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Eddie refresh please
Could you give us a summary about words that has been guessed correctly?
Could you give us a summary about words that has been guessed correctly?
Arief Wibowo Eddie Blankenship, The Eurovision is over, The Språkspelet now needs your help!
(and everybody else too)
We have been in stallä mode :'(
(and everybody else too)
We have been in stallä mode :'(
Arief Wibowo Billy James Brightraven, do you reckon he suffer from Post Eurovision Depression like us? CFC???
Jake Kissinger I'll work on this more tomorrow, but I just tried to find some of the words in Eddie's dictionaries & couldn't. I just tried a few, though; I'll give it a proper go in the morning. Also, heads up, the dictionaries seem to use a different orthography than either the one in the original document or the one we came up with based on Wikipedia with all the digraphs. It has a bunch of diacritics instead of digraphs (I'm pretty sure that у with a ° corresponds to u with a °, BTW) & the Greek letters are still in. Since it's such a small language & since the Soviet Union fell so recently, I guess it's not surprising that they haven't sorted out all their orthography issues yet; I'm guessing that's the case since nothing seems to agree.
Arief Wibowo This round has ukabikierued and surpassed Mikkel Ramzuiv Pittmann Wilson's Japanese round
Ed Blankenship Good morning. I'm sorry I've been absent for a few days. I've been moving.
What am I being congratulated on?
What am I being congratulated on?
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter BTW any hints for the current round, it seems to be tad difficult for us :p
Ed Blankenship Oh Hahahaha no. This is a picture from my bachelors graduation last year. I put it up for Mother's Day. But I graduate with my MA in 11 days.
Give me a minute to get out if bed and I'll give you a summary of words and any hints and tips I can offer.
Give me a minute to get out if bed and I'll give you a summary of words and any hints and tips I can offer.
Ed Blankenship Ok. So here's the successful guess so far.
khudhoi - god
yast - is
gharib - foreign/poor (or also strange)
mu - genitive & oblique of the 1st singular pronoun
khudhoi - god
yast - is
gharib - foreign/poor (or also strange)
mu - genitive & oblique of the 1st singular pronoun
Arief Wibowo Oh no, just four
E, god [maak] [mu] [wam] [meth] [nasib]
E, [khodhoy] [maavaa] [[pye(?)]] [wam] [meth] [qarib]
E, god [laak] [mu] [naan] [ment] [mu] [khez]
E, god [maak] [mu] [mulkand] [mu] foreign
E, [kudhoy] [saam] [tu] [qabul] [khor] [mu] [mak]
[Naan] [avyen] [darbadarat] [zor] [mu] [maak]
[Ghal] [mu] [naan] is [wuzum] [parvo] [nist]
E god [kudakath] [afgor] [mu] [mak]
E [kudhoy] [ya-ta] [tsa] [tizd,] [tizd] [ta] [mu] [[jhuun]]
[Aga] [nay] [wuz] [ta] [tsaraangum] [pi] [[jhuon]]
[Fukath] [naan] [luuvdataa] [wuz] [bye] [naan]
[Ay] god [maadha] [tu] [dam] [medh] [[niixh?n]]
Being the grammar-illiterate Språkspeler that I am, I have no idea what's genitive or oblique 1st singular in English Billy James Brightraven, Vincensiu Dionisiu, help!
E, god [maak] [mu] [wam] [meth] [nasib]
E, [khodhoy] [maavaa] [[pye(?)]] [wam] [meth] [qarib]
E, god [laak] [mu] [naan] [ment] [mu] [khez]
E, god [maak] [mu] [mulkand] [mu] foreign
E, [kudhoy] [saam] [tu] [qabul] [khor] [mu] [mak]
[Naan] [avyen] [darbadarat] [zor] [mu] [maak]
[Ghal] [mu] [naan] is [wuzum] [parvo] [nist]
E god [kudakath] [afgor] [mu] [mak]
E [kudhoy] [ya-ta] [tsa] [tizd,] [tizd] [ta] [mu] [[jhuun]]
[Aga] [nay] [wuz] [ta] [tsaraangum] [pi] [[jhuon]]
[Fukath] [naan] [luuvdataa] [wuz] [bye] [naan]
[Ay] god [maadha] [tu] [dam] [medh] [[niixh?n]]
Being the grammar-illiterate Språkspeler that I am, I have no idea what's genitive or oblique 1st singular in English Billy James Brightraven, Vincensiu Dionisiu, help!
Arief Wibowo Hello Jake Kissinger, thanks and sorry to disturb you from your final preps!
In that case we will just add that once we know the context...
More researching after packing for my travel...
(yay genitive)
In that case we will just add that once we know the context...
More researching after packing for my travel...
(yay genitive)
Jake Kissinger Oh, I finished finals on Friday; I am not disturbed. I meant to work on this more today, but I was busy. I did some more dictionary plugging & chugging, but to no avail.
Jake Kissinger Oh, I did *maybe* find something. Is "meθ" a form of "miθ," or something like that. I didn't see it in the dictionary, but there was a vowel change from "niθ" to "nêθ."
Arief Wibowo Jake Kissinger did more from me and I unfortunately can't Sprogspelet much during my travel in Indonesia... 
Дайте Нефть Из Баку Sorry, seems like some posts didn't show up at all on my page. I couldn't see Eddie's either.
Arief Wibowo The Sprogspelet website has encountered some bugs due to Facebook API token issue!
I am on it.
I am on it.
Arief Wibowo Eddie Blankenship, our charming game is at brink of becoming a history. Any hints to help us out of this state of stallification...?
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter Oh, Lord pray my her day fate/luck
Oh, Lord pray [pye(?)] her this close/near
Oh, Lord laak my mother ment my right side
Oh, Lord pray my mulkand my poor
Oh Lord, (saam) you accept (khor) my head/neck
Mother (avyen) door (zor) my neck
(Ghal) my mother is (wuzum) take shame
Oh, Lord children (afgor) my live
Oh Lord (ya-ta tsa) walk, walk with (mu [jhuun])
if (nay) I (ta) how (pi [jhuon])
(Fukath naan) say I (bye naan)
Oh, Lord maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
Arief:
There's a prblm wif SPS website, no further comment loaded.
The questioned phrased is not fully displayed.
Дайте
There are quite a few Shughni, Sarikoli or other Pamir languages dictionary in Russian. My brain really can't function very well after keep jumping from Latin, Cyrillic & Arabic alphabet, and since I'm not physically and mentally well at the moment, I really cannot make any further attempt.
"Fukath" should be easy to find, It is widely use. Try google:
Fukathh Pamir/ Fukath Pamir/ Fukathen Pamir.
I shall go to bed earlier today. Ciao e buona fortuna a tutti.
Oh, Lord pray [pye(?)] her this close/near
Oh, Lord laak my mother ment my right side
Oh, Lord pray my mulkand my poor
Oh Lord, (saam) you accept (khor) my head/neck
Mother (avyen) door (zor) my neck
(Ghal) my mother is (wuzum) take shame
Oh, Lord children (afgor) my live
Oh Lord (ya-ta tsa) walk, walk with (mu [jhuun])
if (nay) I (ta) how (pi [jhuon])
(Fukath naan) say I (bye naan)
Oh, Lord maadha tu dam medh [niixh?n]
Arief:
There's a prblm wif SPS website, no further comment loaded.
The questioned phrased is not fully displayed.
Дайте
There are quite a few Shughni, Sarikoli or other Pamir languages dictionary in Russian. My brain really can't function very well after keep jumping from Latin, Cyrillic & Arabic alphabet, and since I'm not physically and mentally well at the moment, I really cannot make any further attempt.
"Fukath" should be easy to find, It is widely use. Try google:
Fukathh Pamir/ Fukath Pamir/ Fukathen Pamir.
I shall go to bed earlier today. Ciao e buona fortuna a tutti.
Ed Blankenship Unfortunately, this week is a mess for me (packing, graduation on Thursday, etc.)- while not perfect, I think Vincensiu has come the closest anyone is going to come. So, I shall dub thee "Winner of one of the longest rounds of Språkspelet"!!! The next round is yours (and you may want to start a new thread).
Ed Blankenship I think next week (after I've finished moving, for now... *sighs*) I'll put up a new thread, and interested parties (let me know who you are) can take a stab at working through some Shughni and getting a perfect translation from this text.
Marius Vincenzii Dennischter First of all, let me thank Eddie who has appointed me as the winner even though my translation is far for complete. Secondly, I would like to thank everyone who has supported, nominated and congratulate me.
Thirdly, I would like to thank those who have contributed some words to this current round and help me to semi-complete this round and Lastly, I would like to thank all the participants who have been patiently waiting for this round to finish.
"We are unity, and we are unstoppable" (Wurst, 2014)
Thirdly, I would like to thank those who have contributed some words to this current round and help me to semi-complete this round and Lastly, I would like to thank all the participants who have been patiently waiting for this round to finish.
"We are unity, and we are unstoppable" (Wurst, 2014)
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